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"Children are suffering from a hidden epidemic of child abuse and neglect. Every year 3.3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving 6 million children; that’s because reports can include multiple children. The United States has the worst record in the industrialized nation – losing five children every day due to abuse-related deaths." National Child Abuse Statistics | Childhelp
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Originally Posted by Annie53
Yea....that's why so many parents neglect, abuse and murder their children. Children that those parents were not forced to have.
Many people who want children have no business having them.....let alone forcing people who do not want them in the first place to have them.
Life isn't a fairytale where every child is loved and cherished by its parents.
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Originally Posted by helenejen
...Why you think that the lot of a child is to function as a punishment to a parent who never wanted that child is beyond me. Frankly it's sick.
Some of you people make me absolutely sick. How DARE you decide that the baby should never have been born because he/she might go through some hell in life. How DARE you!
I don't tend to get very personal on this forum but I'm going to this time. Do you two not consider me a person? Am I still a fetus or unwanted zygote or cells? Is that what I am to you?
Why do I ask you this?
Because I was born BEFORE Roe vs Wade, THANK GOD, and I can assure you, I was UNwanted. I suffered extreme abuse, extreme sexual and physical abuse. I was almost dead when a social worker stopped by for a visit, knew something was wrong and called police. They found me in a back bedroom in a closet, skin and bones, almost dead. I think I know a thing or two about not being wanted and suffering from neglect and abuse.
Long story short, I was adopted. And I have gone on to live a life just like any other human being.
And you two are going to sit there and say to me it would have been better IF I HAD BEEN ABORTED! There are rules on this forum that prevent me from telling each of you EXACTLY what I think about you. To say that you make me sick to my stomach, that I have never been more disgusted by your comments is an understatement.
If it were left up to you two, I wouldn't be here. Well **** you very much. How DARE you make that decision FOR ME if I live or die because you think my first four years of life weren't "good enough" for me. According to your sick, demented and twisted logic, no child like me should ever have a chance.
**** you.
Abortion is murder and you know it.
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Originally Posted by joebaldknobber
The question is not "Is abortion murder?"
The question is "Is it better to have never existed, than to endure existence - the pleasure, the pain, the good, the bad, the sublime, the terrible, the beautiful - Life?"
See above.
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Originally Posted by Vizualizax90
Abortion isn't murder.
Popcorn is not actually popcorn until it comes out the microwave...
No one ever says, "Hey, put some uncooked kernels in the microwave" they say, "Hey, can you put some popcorn in the microwave?"
If it were really about whats good for women for you people, you'd be happy about this! What is wrong with wanting someone who knows what they're doing to preform an abortion? So if you don't really care about what's good for women, why are you using that as your argument?
Just curious, but maybe it has to do with education (abandoning the absurdity of abstinence only policy) and easier access to contraception?
You may very well have a good point. Education is ALWAYS a good thing, and I think that we find unwanted pregnancy an issue in areas with less education.
As for easier access to contraception? Not sure how much easier it can get, go to drugstore, buy condoms and spermacide?
You may very well have a good point. Education is ALWAYS a good thing, and I think that we find unwanted pregnancy an issue in areas with less education.
As for easier access to contraception? Not sure how much easier it can get, go to drugstore, buy condoms and spermacide?
I'd like to see easier/cheaper access to things like the depo shot and IUDs. Less chance of user error.
If human nature is to do whatever they please without regard to the consequences of their actions, why hasn't the problem been this bad all along?
I'll tell you why. Because there was a time when people took more responsibility for their actions."""
Exact dates , please...thank you.
""" They wore condoms, and took precautions. Tell me, ever been to Japan, South Korea, or even Spain? They are human, yet THEY don't seem to have this problem, in fact Spain last time I bothered to look was a country in the bottom 5 in abortion percentage to number of women...
If it's so "Human nature", why do we NOT have the same problem""
What problem?...abortion occurs everywhere
everywhere with the same percentages? We are all human?
""MAYBE, the answer is, some people take precautions, some don't. """"
OOOH, ya got one right!
"""Human nature is the same world over, PEOPLE are different, in the way they do things, based on culture, upbringing, morals, laws, etc etc.
Your last sentence ! Ya got TWO right! People ARE different ...some have sex for fun, some have sex for PROCREATION ONLY, some have irresponsible sex, some have lotsa sex, some don't care to have any at all....but humans throughout history in all countries and continents have had sex, irresponsibly or not...YOU can't stop it.....just as no one could stop women from seeking abortions THROUGHOUT HISTORY
If it were left up to you two, I wouldn't be here. Well **** you very much. How DARE you make that decision FOR ME if I live or die because you think my first four years of life weren't "good enough" for me. According to your sick, demented and twisted logic, no child like me should ever have a chance.
I'm sorry to hear of your young childhood, but this was an excellent post and a great point, in that it's assumed by the pro-choice crowd that an unwanted pregnancy will likely result in a child who's born to uncaring parents or poverty and their life will be miserable and full of pain, so it's no big deal if those babies are never born.
It's a different story when you're talking to an adult who would have been aborted based on their standards.
I'm sorry to hear of your young childhood, but this was an excellent post and a great point, in that it's assumed by the pro-choice crowd that an unwanted pregnancy will likely result in a child who's born to uncaring parents or poverty and their life will be miserable and full of pain, so it's no big deal if those babies are never born.
There's a difference between an unplanned pregnancy and an unwanted pregnancy. And oftentimes, comments about unwanted pregnancy are made in response to ludicrous comments such as this:
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Originally Posted by Oleg Bach
The unwanted part only exist prior to birth...once the child is born all human beings want that child- no matter what-it's nature....
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Originally Posted by Vejadu
It's a different story when you're talking to an adult who would have been aborted based on their standards.
Really? If, as a fetus I had been aborted, I wouldn't have known it. Frankly the logic you are attempting to use here is ridiculous.
There's a difference between an unplanned pregnancy and an unwanted pregnancy. And oftentimes, comments about unwanted pregnancy are made in response to ludicrous comments such as this:....
NO, dear, there is NOT a difference. Unplanned and unwanted can be one in the same.
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Really? If, as a fetus I had been aborted, I wouldn't have known it. Frankly the logic you are attempting to use here is ridiculous.
You will never win this argument with me. EVER! What is ridiculous is you not recognizing that some of us are LIVING PROOF of why your logic is FLAWED!
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