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Old 07-02-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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The states that are dying for healthcare coverage - Bottom Line

The lack of medical coverage in America is a serious problem as approximately 50 million people were uninsured all through 2010. But the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was passed in 2010, was constitutional. The legislation, once implemented in its entirety, is expected to cover 30 million Americans currently lacking coverage.

The lack of medical insurance has had grave consequences for individuals and the nation. In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week
And of those 26,100 people who didn't have health insurance, probably at least 26,080 of them would have died even if they DID have health insurance.

But agenda-driven "reporting" never bothers to talk about pesky little details like that.

 
Old 07-02-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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The point is quite obvious: uninsured people are far more likely to die of PREVENTABLE causes than insured ones.

Is it really that hard to understand?
Who are these that are uninsured???
 
Old 07-02-2012, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And of those 26,100 people who didn't have health insurance, probably at least 26,080 of them would have died even if they DID have health insurance.
"Preventable" means something that can be prevented.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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"Preventable" means something that can be prevented.
It cannot be proved..they are DEAD. The only way to prove that is to go back in time, give them insurance and see what happens. Only then can you say "it was preventable".
 
Old 07-02-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Who are these that are uninsured???
"Uninsured" is a a person who does not have insurance.

"Preventable" is something that can be prevented
 
Old 07-02-2012, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It cannot be proved..they are DEAD. The only way to prove that is to go back in time, give them insurance and see what happens. Only then can you say "it was preventable".
No, doctors know when a person dies causes that would have been preventable.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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How many WITHOUT health insurance were just fine?
 
Old 07-02-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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How many WITH Insurance died of preventable issues?
 
Old 07-02-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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"Preventable" means something that can be prevented.
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Agenda-driven - as in, the article cited - means absolutely inaccurate and unreliable.
 
Old 07-02-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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I have no idea why this is so incredibly difficult.

Let's say I don't have health insurance but my kid gets very ill. Since I cannot afford to go to a regular pediatrician, I have to find an alternative that does not cost me any money (remember, I don't have any!). The only option is generally to go to an emergency room where my child will have to be treated, no matter what. Since I cannot pay my bill, the tax payer (and those who have insurance) will get stuck with my bill. Since it is an ER bill, it will cost other people at least $1500.

If I had health insurance - issued by the state because I am unable to pay, the cost would have been that of a simple visit to a pediatrician. We can assume that this health insurance, just like private companies, will have been able to negotiate a lower rate. Thus, instead of costing the nation $1500, cost will be significantly less.

When I have had to go to an ER abroad, I was asked either for a credit card or for my passport. There was no skipping out on the bill.
Since when? I lived in Germany for three years, went to the ER one night and no one asked me for any payment. I wasn't even a citizen of that country.
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