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Old 07-01-2012, 02:49 PM
 
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Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
FASTSTATS - Deaths and Mortality

One million six hundred an eighty-three thousand five hundred and seventy-one people died in 2010 with medical conditions.

1,683,571.

So 1.55% died without insurance.

What's your point? That percentage is far lower than the percentage of people without insurance in the U.S. comparatively.

Using the straw man from MSNBC we can conclude that having insurance does nothing to save your life 98.45% of the time.

 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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I am not surprised you do not know, but believe it or not, a lot of deaths can be prevented when diseases are detected early, and if proper care is given early enough.
Can you list one individual who's lived forever?
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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No insurance, no care.....
Bull crap. I havent had insurance for the last 12 years and I have no problem seeing a doctor.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Can you list one individual who's lived forever?
Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod, a/k/a Highlander.
"In the end, there can be only one"

Then you also have Superman, but that is still under debate on the internet.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:17 PM
 
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I was right. In 2010 there were 2,437,163 deaths according to the CDC. If only 26,100 didn't have insurance, that means a whole lot of people were insured but died anyway.
I thought that health insurance prevented death?
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Wow, I didnt know we can prevent from dying..
Sure you can.

My great grandfather was a teamster before he retired and has teamsters (union) benefits.

He's 135 years old.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:26 PM
 
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That is a total lie. Health insurance never prevented any deaths.

Health care might.
Make no mistake your care is predicated on the kind of insurance you have. You and I may have the same disease. I have BCBS PPO, you have UnitedHealthCare HMO. I'll get better treatment every single time hands down. Your doc will say, "I've done all I can" my doc will continue to treat and send me to as many special with in terms of his contract with BCBS. Pay cash only? You'll get as far as the amount in your bank account will allow. You're dead.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Make no mistake your care is predicated on the kind of insurance you have. You and I may have the same disease. I have BCBS PPO, you have UnitedHealthCare HMO. I'll get better treatment every single time hands down. Your doc will say, "I've done all I can" my doc will continue to treat and send me to as many special with in terms of his contract with BCBS. Pay cash only? You'll get as far as the amount in your bank account will allow. You're dead.
Yeah..PPO beats HMO no questions asked. But I fear we're going to see more and more HMO's and less and less PPOs over time. I pay extra for my PPO because I can and that's the type of coverage I want.
I don't want to turn around one day and my choice is HMO A, HMO B or HMO C.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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The states that are dying for healthcare coverage - Bottom Line

The lack of medical coverage in America is a serious problem as approximately 50 million people were uninsured all through 2010. But the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which was passed in 2010, was constitutional. The legislation, once implemented in its entirety, is expected to cover 30 million Americans currently lacking coverage.

The lack of medical insurance has had grave consequences for individuals and the nation. In 2010 alone, 26,100 people died because they had no health insurance — that amounts to 502 preventable deaths a week
That's quite some spin you've got there.

How many of those same people would have died with insurance?

I mean, really.............see if you can come up with something real.
 
Old 07-01-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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If I had health insurance - issued by the state because I am unable to pay, the cost would have been that of a simple visit to a pediatrician. We can assume that this health insurance, just like private companies, will have been able to negotiate a lower rate. Thus, instead of costing the nation $1500, cost will be significantly less.
lol
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