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Old 07-04-2012, 04:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Yawn sounds like another incessant whiner. Just because the US electorate does not vote your politics does not mean that they are wrong. I have been to many other countries and honestly the US is far better place than any of them. If you do not like the US feel free to leave.
No disagreement. Politics has always been hard, getting your way through politics even harder. There are those who stick with it and don't give up (note the success of the Democrat party who do exactly that), and there are those who try a few times, fail, and retire to write surrender notices like the OP. Such things pop up every now and then, like dead yeast in beer, and are just as appropriately ignored with the contempt they deserve.
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Old 07-04-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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Default When Americans Understood the Declaration of Independence

Food for thought on this day, 236 years following the Declaration of Independence from Britain.

When Americans Understood the Declaration of Independence by Thomas DiLorenzo

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The Declaration of Independence was the ultimate secessionist or states’ rights document. "Governments are instituted among men," Thomas Jefferson wrote, for the sole purpose of securing God-given, "unalienable" rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Moreover, governments derive "their just powers from the consent of the governed" and nowhere else. And "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government . . ."
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If Americans ever began celebrating the real meaning of the Declaration of Independence, then they would embrace the Jeffersonian rights of secession and nullification as a means of fighting back against governmental tyranny. They would also withdraw their support for the U.S. government’s aggressive wars of imperialism in the Middle East and elsewhere, along with its hundreds of military bases on every continent on the planet. They might even begin an opposition to being plundered by the incredibly corrupt military/industrial/congressional complex and its main funding sources, the Fed and the income tax.
Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript

A documentary film about the Tenth Amendment and State Nullification | Nullification: The Rightful Remedy
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Why celebrate our independence from England when we have willingly given up our independence to the Kleptocracy of our two party system? We just traded one form of tyranny for another in my opinion. We just have a different "boot" on our neck and enjoy no freedoms.

Go ahead, wave your flag and shoot off firecrackers. Eat hot dogs and hamburgers, pretend we haven't given up the freedom we once had to these criminals. Wait until November, you will hear a lot of B.S. promises about how, if only we vote for them again, everything will change. Yes, over 100 years of voting the same pigs into power have really changed America. The ONLY DIFFERENCE is which PIG will be feeding at the taxpayers slop chute.

It is getting particularly worrisome that they are enacting laws that enable THEM to decide who is a terrorist, that they can and will detain you without charge, that they CAN kill you if they deem you a "threat to America" which in fact means "A threat to their retaining power".

I consider the Democrats and Republicans "enemies of America". They are a "Clear and Present danger" TO MY COUNTRY. I believe they should all be removed from office, given a fair trial for the crimes committed and hung on the Mall in D.C.

Sure, there may be a few innocents and if so they should be spared. ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL elected or appointed that has gained financially other than the salary paid for services should be hung for "theft by deception and under the color of authority". (or whatever charge we can come up with). Any politician that has used public funds to pay personal political debts should be drawn and quartered. This theft of public funds extends to friends and families of these politicians.

They keep blowing taxpayer funds on pork that benefits their political donors and are self serving criminals- time to get serious. We keep hearing how "Social security needs to be reformed" (aka cut) yet the Navy can buy "bio-fuel" at 26 dollars a gallon from a company that "just happens to be owned by one of Obama's political allies. Of course there is a long list of this crap that extends to BOTH parties.

I guess I should shut up now- I think I hear a "Drone" circling the house.........
I don't see our president as our country.. they serve for a short time . It is the constitution that I stand by and if it is desecrated by our president I don't like it. America is not the man in the white house.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Prosper, TX
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And if you actually read the text of the Declaration you would note that rationale for independence from Britain was taxation without representation. The state garners the consent of the governed through elections. Only if that is suspended is there a right to replace government. It does not mean that because a few plebs are pissed that their politics are in vogue that the government should be overthrown or replaced.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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And if you actually read the text of the Declaration you would note that rationale for independence from Britain was taxation without representation. The state garners the consent of the governed through elections. Only if that is suspended is there a right to replace government. It does not mean that because a few plebs are pissed that their politics are in vogue that the government should be overthrown or replaced.
Thanks, I have read the Declaration, many times, as well as the history behind it and our preceding drafts before our current Constitution was ratified. Shove your insults unless you want to be addressed similarly, which I will be happy to oblige.

You think it is only a "few plebs" who are pissed about the over-reach of the central government? Obviously you've had your head in the sand. We are now being taxed to breath via Obamacare-tax.

This country is a pressure cookier of pissed off taxpayers and whining Socialist entitlement babies alike. Small movements like the Tea Party and Occupy are just a sign of a scant bit of steam being let off before the whole thing blows. Why else do you thing The FED keeps printing money? It is to temporarilily placate the masses who are asleep like yourself.

What part about tyranny in the form of economic fascism with a Marxist social welfare society has any reflection upon the ideals of individual liberty?
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:52 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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And if you actually read the text of the Declaration you would note that rationale for independence from Britain was taxation without representation. The state garners the consent of the governed through elections. Only if that is suspended is there a right to replace government. It does not mean that because a few plebs are pissed that their politics are in vogue that the government should be overthrown or replaced.
No, it says when a government tramples on the rights of the people, the people have a right to overthrow it. Elected tyrants are still tyrants.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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I don't see our president as our country.. they serve for a short time . It is the constitution that I stand by and if it is desecrated by our president I don't like it. America is not the man in the white house.
No, it's all the fat cats who pull his strings. That's the real power in this country.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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No, it says when a government tramples on the rights of the people, the people have a right to overthrow it. Elected tyrants are still tyrants.
One must read the WHOLE declaration to understand it is not only about "taxation without representation" though that is one of the reasons. In the eyes of the Founders, the King was a tyrant who knew no boundaries.
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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Just remember what the day is supposed to mean and what we did to bring it about. Of course our US Government has begun to become more like England so we'll have to do something about that.
Hey, we already have a Tea Party so we must be on our way to repeating history!
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Old 07-04-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."

-- Samuel Adams



PS: I don't celebrate Independence Day anymore. I feel sad when people still praise this country for being the land of the free. Patriot Act, NDAA, TSA...Drones. Sounds like a free country. NOT. Thank goodness we still have people who are waking up each day and realizing our Republic has declined and is no longer what it used to be. The principles on which this country was founded have become a thing of the past.

People think that waving the Stars and Stripes and saying the "Pledge of Allegiance" are signs of Patriotism but at the same time the same people do nothing more than that.

Actions, not words people....
I see people all the time giving their time to classrooms, helping the Veteran's, volunteering at the hospital's. These same people are as those you described above. What I do see is these people are older and by that over 40, the youth has been the ones soured on Patriotism and giving their time.

My niece who's 25 asked me what was so great about this country we're just like any other, nothing to be proud of..........

When Our President is sending out the message we're not that great of a nation, people tend to hear his words.
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