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Old 07-10-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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No they aren't.

Would you care to name the passages which you are confused about - and that give you the ridiculous idea that rape and incest are condoned in the Bible?
Cain's wife was related to him. Adam and Eve were the only parents at that time and Cain was from Adam and Eve. So right there is incest.

Also Deuteronomy has great examples of how you can have the women of a conquered town and how you can stone rape victims for not asking for before the rape occurred.

It's pretty clear.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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That verse does not require a rape victim to marry the rapist - it requires the rapist to marry the rape victim - specifically because he has violated her. It also requires the payment of 50 shekels to compensate for the rape.

Do you miss the word "violated" - and the fact that a monetary penalty is required to be paid? Doesn't exactly condone rape, does it?

The man must marry the woman because through his own actions he is now responsible for her - he screwed up - sex is not free and rape is always wrong - and most certainly prohibited in the Bible.
Kind of does. You need to marry the person you raped? What sick and twisted thing is that? The victim is not taken into consideration.

The Bible is not good for public policy.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Yet the victim is still marrying the rapist. You condone this?

Anyway, answer this please:

"Gays and their lifestyle and wanting to get married and have children, hurt me directly by:"

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Just fill in the list and provide sources that support your opinions.
I answered that question at least four times in that previous thread.

The verse makes no mention that the victim has to marry the rapist.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Southern NC
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Immoral freaks who let lust demons possess their bodies and corrupt their minds deserve no rights in a Christian nation such as our. Not to mention married gays will then seek to adopt children - thereby subjecting those innocent kids to abuse. It's a slippery slope straight to Hell.
Says you and your Godly self. LMAO.
I know many gay families, many with children, some adopted...all very happy and well adjusted.
You...not so well adjusted.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Kind of does. You need to marry the person you raped? What sick and twisted thing is that? The victim is not taken into consideration.

The Bible is not good for public policy.
No one is advocating that the verse in question be made into public policy.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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Planning to bring a child into the world without a father is not right.
That is a personal attack.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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That is a personal attack.
No. That's an opinion.

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Old 07-10-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Cain's wife was related to him. Adam and Eve were the only parents at that time and Cain was from Adam and Eve. So right there is incest.
The Bible does not mention who Cain's wife is - you are assuming that he committed incest. If he had laid with Eve - the Bible would have siad so - and incest would not later be condemned.

Clearly - their were other people on the earth that God had created.

Only people who wish to bash the Bible use the strawman that Cain had sex with his mother.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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No one is advocating that the verse in question be made into public policy.
By stating that you are against gay marriage on religious conviction and therefore it should be made illegal, you are stating that the Bible should be used for public policy. Thus begs the question why not all verses? Why pick and choose those that harm people? Why not pick verses that are inclusive? It seems odd to pick only some exclusive verses and neglect others.

The Bible is not good for public policy.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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I answered that question at least four times in that previous thread.

The verse makes no mention that the victim has to marry the rapist.
Answer the question. Stop avoiding and dancing around it. You never answered - get to it.

That doesn't change the fact that in that particular verse, the victim has to marry the rapist. The rapist has to marry the person he raped and pay up 50 coins or whatever to compensate - another way of saying this is the victim is forced to marry her rapist. Is logic that lost on you?
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