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OK, but on what basis do you call something an "abuse"? What's your moral code?
You either follow a universal moral code with authority, or you make up your own morality according to your own personal lights. Which is it for you?
First, the Golden Rule doesn't shield everyone from abuse. The "as you would have them do unto you" part can justify all kinds of evil acts.
Second, from whence does the Golden Rule derive its authority? You accept it: why must everyone else accept it? Because you say so? How is that not imposing your own morality on everyone else?
I never said that others had to live by my moral ideals. I do, and that is all that matters to me.
Abuse is anything that harms another person. Rape is abuse. Neglect is abuse. there is psychological abuse.
If you don't know what constitutes abuse in legal terms than google is your friend.
I don't need an "authority" to to tell me to be good to people, and treat them as I would want to be treated. Why do you need some reward to be good to others?
You take care of what your kids watch, and I'll take care of my kids.
It isn't my job to police your children or their viewing habits.
But here's what you're missing: the whole crusade to legitimize and normalize homosexuality is eroding the freedom of everyone else. We're becoming prisoners in our own country. We can't watch television, read a newspaper, take our kids to public places, send them school, etc., etc., etc. without the homosexual lifestyle being rubbed in our noses.
You want the right to "express" your homosexuality everywhere. I want the right to live and raise my children in a country that isn't a putrid moral cesspool. As your rights increase, mine decrease. Hence, the culture war, and it's going to get ugly.
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Agree to disagree. If your kids come into my house and two ken dolls or two barbies start doing things that offend my kids, your kid will be on the curb waiting for you to pick them up.
My kids would never be left alone at you house, so that won't be a problem.
Another thing to consider is where does the homosexual marriage go. Once it is accepted, when does it stop. 65 year old man and a 13 year old girl getting married? A Pedophile marrying a 14 year old. Sandusky not getting convicted. Where does it end, where?
Equal rights? Equal liberties?
Age of consent. Children can not consent. End of discussion.
No, my children are never left unsupervised with any adult that is not immediate family, or their teacher. I also get to know the teaches very well, and spend at least one day a week in the class helping out.
Nothing against you, but you are not their teacher, nor a member of my family.
Another thing to consider is where does the homosexual marriage go. Once it is accepted, when does it stop. 65 year old man and a 13 year old girl getting married? A Pedophile marrying a 14 year old.
Okay, first, what exactly do you think these things have in common with gay marriage?
I never said that others had to live by my moral ideals. I do, and that is all that matters to me.
I don't believe you. That just isn't credible.
My moral code says homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, if I operate a school, I don't hire open homosexuals to teach children; if I own a rental home, I don't accept them as tenants; if I operate a TV station, I don't accept advertising for their organizations; if I own a print shop, I don't print their literature; if I am a lawmaker, I work to minimize their influence in society. Etc. That's how I live out my moral code.
Presumably, you would deny me the ability to do at least some of these things. It bothers you when I live out my moral code. You want your moral code to interfere with mine.
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Originally Posted by jjrose
Abuse is anything that harms another person. Rape is abuse. Neglect is abuse. there is psychological abuse. If you don't know what constitutes abuse in legal terms than google is your friend.
Oh, so Google is going to tell me what abuse is? Please. I believe that raising children in a homosexual environment is child abuse. You disagree. We disagree because we have different ideas of what "harms another person", for one thing. My morality says that children should never be placed in such an environment. Your morality would prevent me from helping them. Either your morality is imposed on me, or mine is imposed on you. There is no moral neutrality here.
My moral code says homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, if I operate a school, I don't hire open homosexuals to teach children; if I own a rental home, I don't accept them as tenants; if I operate a TV station, I don't accept advertising for their organizations; if I own a print shop, I don't print their literature; if I am a lawmaker, I work to minimize their influence in society. Etc. That's how I live out my moral code.
Presumably, you would deny me the ability to do at least some of these things. It bothers you when I live out my moral code. You want your moral code to interfere with mine.
Oh, so Google is going to tell me what abuse is? Please. I believe that raising children in a homosexual environment is child abuse. You disagree. We disagree because we have different ideas of what "harms another person", for one thing. My morality says that children should never be placed in such an environment. Your morality would prevent me from helping them. Either your morality is imposed on me, or mine is imposed on you. There is no moral neutrality here.
Do what you want in your business, rental home, etc. As long as there are no laws against discriminating where you live, or you don't get caught that is on you. It has no effect on me as I own my own business, my partner works for a very pro equality company, and we own our own house.
My adult children have turned out better than many children raised by heterosexual couples that I know. I have done my job teaching them to be responsible, respectful adults. My younger child is well on his way to be just like them.
My getting equal right will not impose my morals on you, as you will not be required to have a same sex marriage.
Have a good evening, it's almost dinner time.
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