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Old 07-12-2012, 09:41 AM
 
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... what is the basis for the conservative meme that African Americans are loyal to the Democratic Party because of government benefits that they don't even qualify for to begin with? And why is it so hard for conservatives to grasp that such a meme is inherently racist and as result offensive to the vast majority of African American voters?

61 percent of welfare recipients are white.

88.7 percent of Social Security and disability payments are white.

46.2 percent of Food Stamp recipients are white.

48.5 percent of medicaid recipients are white.

Who gets welfare? Despite prevailing stereotype, whites, not blacks, collect greatest share of public aid dollars | Ebony | Find Articles

In 2008 African Americans comprised 12.8 percent of the population, account for 8.6 of GDP and were 11 percent of all workers.

Blacks' Role in the U.S. Economy

And, while conservatives are quick to seize upon the fact that 27.4 percent of African Americans living below the poverty line, I find in telling that the headlines never read;

Nearly 3/4s of African Americans Live Above the Poverty Line.

Which would be news since in 1960 55% of African Americans lived in poverty.

So the question becomes, if 3/4s of African Americans live above the poverty line, comprise 12.8 percent of the population and 11 percent of the workforce, even if 99.9 percent of all welfare recipients where African American, how does one even begin to try and support the argument that 90% of working African Americans are loyal to the Democratic Party because THEY get "government handouts". The answer is that the meme is unsupportable and African Americans fundamentally understand that.

The reality is that the "free stuff" meme is nothing more than a new variation of the Ronald Reagan "Welfare Queen" writ large.

So, It is the height of irony that the Republican Party's in its disingenuous attempt to find excuses for its abject failure to make inroads into the African American electorate to promote a blatantly racist stereotype that only acts to further cement African American antipathy towards the GOP, and as a result, ensures that 90+ precent of African Americans will remain loyal to the Democratic Party for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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Nice propaganda and twisting of facts. If AA's are only 12.8 percent of the population HOW in the world could there be higher percentage of them collecting benefits? HOW? OF COURSE there will be more whites since they make up a much higher percentage of the population! That's the TOTAL though, what about the percentage of those 12.8% as compare to the percentage of total white population? Also, 3/4 of AA's live ABOVE the poverty line? I don't buy that as well, unless you are using some third world statistic for poverty line, since the poor in the US are actually considered middle class in other countries. And you use a biased magazine for these statistics? How do you like being lied to? You seem to fall for it every single time! Stop trying to act like there are no problems in your communities, that makes you a part of the problem and not the solution.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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Since whites make up 73.4 percent of the population, I think those numbers are pretty favorable for them.
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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If the percentage of Blacks in the US equaled the percentage of Whites in the US then that's apples to apples comparison.
But they don't.
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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Nice propaganda and twisting of facts.
I didn't realize that along with having certain reading challenges that you also have some with math as well.

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If AA's are only 12.8 percent of the population HOW in the world could there be higher percentage of them collecting benefits?
A statistical break down of a sub-population IS NOT COMPARABLE to the statistical make of a general population, for god's fraking sake!

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Also, 3/4 of AA's live ABOVE the poverty line? I don't buy that as well, unless you are using some third world statistic for poverty line, since the poor in the US are actually considered middle class in other countries.
The "poverty line" is a quantitative measure based upon quantitative studies of the economic conditions of Americans, it is not transferable or relative to the poverty or wealth of any other nation and is used for determining a base line for how is and who isn't eligible to receive government benefits.

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And you use a biased magazine for these statistics?
The National Leadership Network of Conservative African Americans, the census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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I didn't realize that along with having certain reading challenges that you also have some with math as well.



A statistical break down of a sub-population IS NOT COMPARABLE to the statistical make of a general population, for god's fraking sake!



The "poverty line" is a quantitative measure based upon quantitative studies of the economic conditions of Americans, it is not transferable or relative to the poverty or wealth of any other nation and is used for determining a base line for how is and who isn't eligible to receive government benefits.



The National Leadership Network of Conservative African Americans, the census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics
Say what you want, but everything you have posted in this thread is untrue due to ideological spin. Who are you trying to fool? Yourself?
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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Since whites make up 73.4 percent of the population, I think those numbers are pretty favorable for them.

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Old 07-12-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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I didn't realize that along with having certain reading challenges that you also have some with math as well.



A statistical break down of a sub-population IS NOT COMPARABLE to the statistical make of a general population, for god's fraking sake!



The "poverty line" is a quantitative measure based upon quantitative studies of the economic conditions of Americans, it is not transferable or relative to the poverty or wealth of any other nation and is used for determining a base line for how is and who isn't eligible to receive government benefits.



The National Leadership Network of Conservative African Americans, the census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics
Also, I have to just LAUGH hysterically at this little tidbit!

From the top of your article:

FindArticles / Reference / Ebony / Dec, 1992

From Ebony in Dec. 1992 using statistics from 1990! LMAO!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:59 AM
 
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Welfare Expenditures by Ethnic Group | Heartland Institute

This study contradicts the OP claims.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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This is exactly what some of us were trying to tell the OP. They weren't fooling anyone, even if they did try to use a biased article from 1992!

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Aid to black and Hispanic welfare recipients is greater in proportion to the size of their populations than is aid to white recipients. This can be seen by determining the average welfare expenditure per person for each ethnic group.
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