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Old 07-19-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Government will outlaw pitbulls ...its already hap in parts of Canada..Ont I think....Government always does these things slowly with research because the only people who will complain are violent natured...easily understood by selecting a known dog that will not only generate fear in others but has a history of tearing people apart. One way or another these dogs will be history....also owners should be fully locked up and charged for any sign of aggression toward people , charging whatever...regardless of retracting the obvious command...

dogs attack on command be it subtle or otherwise...retracting the command if not intentional proves and gives evidence the owner is not in control of the dog.

so first things in my estimation is law without delay getting criminals in jail where they rightfully belong.
No breed of dog will ever be banned in the United States. That's great for Canada and all, but guess what? We're in America, not Canada. Not that I particularly care for PETA or any of those ilk, but do you realize the utter sh*t storm that will arise if the government does what your proposing?

You don't like pit bulls? Don't get one. Stop attempting to force your views onto every one else because you're too much of a coward to confront your fear of a dog. I pity you.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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No breed of dog will ever be banned in the United States. That's great for Canada and all, but guess what? We're in America, not Canada. Not that I particularly care for PETA or any of those ilk, but do you realize the utter sh*t storm that will arise if the government does what your proposing?

You don't like pit bulls? Don't get one. Stop attempting to force your views onto every one else because you're too much of a coward to confront your fear of a dog. I pity you.

well I gotta go and don't see much defense happening for these known neighborhood tough guys....they are a menace to society in every way imaginable .
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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well I gotta go and don't see much defense happening for these known neighborhood tough guys....they are a menace to society in every way imaginable .
Yeah - you are a menace to society in every way imaginable. So explain to me why again you decide to damn the group as a whole due to the actions of the few?
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Hypothetically, yes...any dog can be trained to attack and kill. But as it happens, data suggests that pit bulls are overwhelmingly more likely to be the breed of dog to attack and kill. There are, of course, several reasons for this. One of which is the indisputable fact that pit bulls have been bred with a temperamental pre-disposition to become aggressive, especially when triggered by certain situations, behaviors, or environments. This is why deviant owners select pitbulls as "pets" to begin with.

There are some of you who will try to argue that pitbulls don't have a genetic predisposition toward a certain temperament. Most dog breeds are bred with not only physical traits in mind, but also with behavioral and termperament traits in mind. Boxers are known for their loyalty and energy, while Siberian Huskies are generally gentle but have a strong hunting drive and will kill cats, rabbits, squirrels or any other animal in the vicinity of home (that's not a pet). As for pit bulls, they are typically very people friendly (making for poor watch dogs), but they have a particularly strong aggression toward other dogs. This trait sometimes manifests against humans, and when it does it can be deadly. These are facts.
As has been said numerous times, dogs need socialization skills to know how to interact with their own species as well as the human species. Some are bred for dog aggression, some are bred from calm submissive temperments, how much is nature, how much is nurture, is hard to say, but it all plays a part.
If you watch the Dog Whisperer, he had a program last week, on what he looked for in selecting his own puppies, in showing us how to raise a well balanced dog. Humans have all the power, and the knowledge is readily available, all we have to do is be willing to learn.
Dogs are so forgiving. Michael Vick's dogs are a great example of the ability for them to be rehabilitated. All dogs want to be loved and respond to kindness, just like humans.
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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As has been said numerous times, dogs need socialization skills to know how to interact with their own species as well as the human species. Some are bred for dog aggression, some are bred from calm submissive temperments, how much is nature, how much is nurture, is hard to say, but it all plays a part.
If you watch the Dog Whisperer, he had a program last week, on what he looked for in selecting his own puppies, in showing us how to raise a well balanced dog. Humans have all the power, and the knowledge is readily available, all we have to do is be willing to learn.
Dogs are so forgiving. Michael Vick's dogs are a great example of the ability for them to be rehabilitated. All dogs want to be loved and respond to kindness, just like humans.
I appreciate your comments and understand your position. In the meantime, there exists a strong correlation between vicious dog attacks and pit bulls - much more so than any other dog breed for whatever reason. Yes, we must educate people and teach pet owners about proper socialization techniques. But in the meantime, we also have to take some sort of immediate action to remedy or mitigate the dangers that pit bulls pose to people and other animals.
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Paradise CA, where else, Zip 95969
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Please Google "Miami-Dade county pitbull ordinance".
The writing is on the wall.
As for not being able to tell a pit bull from a lab, or a boxer, come on.
Remember what the judge said about pornography - "I cant define it but I sure recognize it when I see it."
Our local newspaper dedicates a weekly page with pictures for dogs up to adoption and 60 % are pit bulls or pit mixes. The always write "lab mix, or bulldog mix". The don't use pit bull mix.
Like I said beore, I can handle being bitten, the killing part is I'm scared of.
There is a Jack Russell and and Airedale in the statistics, responsible for killing someone.
The Airedale jumped on an old lady walking on ice, she fell, broke her hip, and died from the complications.
The Jack Russel's leash was tangled on a baby's neck and when the dogg pulled hard the baby suffocated.
Tragic events, definitely. But neither victim was torn apart. These were deadly acidents, like a car crash. Completely different from being gunned down while walking on your street.

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Old 07-19-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Please Google "Miami-Dade county pitbull ordinance".
The writing is on the wall.
As for not being able to tell a pit bull from a lab, or a boxer, come on.
Remember what the judge said about pornography - "I cant define it but I sure recognize it when I see it."
Our local newspaper dedicates a weekly page with pictures for dogs up to adoption and 60 % are pit bulls or pit mixes. The always write "lab mix, or bulldog mix". The don't use pit bull mix.
Like I said beore, I can handle being bitten, the killing part is I'm scared of.
There is a Jack Russell and and Airedale in the statistics, responsible for killing someone.
The Airedale jumped on an old lady walking on ice, she fell, broke her hip, and died from the complications.
The Jack Russel's leash was tangled on a baby's neck and when the dogg pulled hard the baby suffocated.
Tragic events, definitely. But neither victim was torn apart. These were deadly acidents, like a car crash. Completely different from being gunned down while walking on your street.
this ban?
Hearing Officer Says Miami-Dade County Pit Bull Ban Unenforceable!
Miami-Dade County, Florida (March 19, 2009) Miami Coalition Against Breed Specific Legislation (MCABSL) and Animal Law Coalition applaud a hearing officer's ruling that the Miami Dade County Pit Bull ban is too vague, and the county cannot enforce the finding by animal control that a dog named Apollo¬ is a pit bull that must be euthanized or removed from the county.
Hearing Officer Says Miami-Dade County Pit Bull Ban Unenforceable! | Animal Law Coalition

On the same browser page, I came across this story. It shows how wonderful some people can be, and how utterly stupid many people are. Stupid people should not own pitbulls, but they also should not have the right to say others cannot.

Officer responds to calls on a vicious pitbull on the loose, and ends up adopting the dog.

"Vicious" pit bull grabs heart of Baltimore cop | ohmidog!
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Old 07-19-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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Yeah - you are a menace to society in every way imaginable. So explain to me why again you decide to damn the group as a whole due to the actions of the few?
I'm open to suggestions and think owners of pit-bulls should be coming forward with solutions. For example...I would imagine a person chooses a pit bull for confidence in a given neighborhood....then becomes attached to the dog and argues on behalf of their merit in society...why can't owners pledge to stop breeding, recommending a law and get a shepherd next time?...sure the shepherd is a biter but I'm guessing the protection would raise a notch because they are smarter dogs...Plus people going for a walk or whatever including parks and neighborhoods don't need to freak out, cross the street and all that because its a pit bull....I was put down by a shepherd at about 10 yrs old no more. It was a full command from the owner, intentional. The shepherd simply stood over me waiting for the owner about 250 yards away....he sent the dog out for me....if that was a pit bull we all know what would of happened...plain and simple..theres two next door when the daughter visits as I was explaining earlier and he is determined to tear into my leg...totally unprovoked....if the rope breaks...then what..? so owners and pit bull advocates should be on top of policing this thing...hanging on to an existing pet with all that society knows seems a pretty fair deal, less any further breeding. ( at least right away where no existing codes are in effect.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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I'm open to suggestions and think owners of pit-bulls should be coming forward with solutions. For example...I would imagine a person chooses a pit bull for confidence in a given neighborhood....then becomes attached to the dog and argues on behalf of their merit in society...why can't owners pledge to stop breeding, recommending a law and get a shepherd next time?...sure the shepherd is a biter but I'm guessing the protection would raise a notch because they are smarter dogs...Plus people going for a walk or whatever including parks and neighborhoods don't need to freak out, cross the street and all that because its a pit bull....I was put down by a shepherd at about 10 yrs old no more. It was a full command from the owner, intentional. The shepherd simply stood over me waiting for the owner about 250 yards away....he sent the dog out for me....if that was a pit bull we all know what would of happened...plain and simple..theres two next door when the daughter visits as I was explaining earlier and he is determined to tear into my leg...totally unprovoked....if the rope breaks...then what..? so owners and pit bull advocates should be on top of policing this thing...hanging on to an existing pet with all that society knows seems a pretty fair deal, less any further breeding. ( at least right away where no existing codes are in effect.
I have no idea what you're saying anymore. You lack any coherent point nor does any of your sentences follow the grammatical structure present in the English language. I suggest you go take typing lessons, study up on how to formulate a well-structured sentence, and also learn how to be precise and concise with your statements.

You lack the mental stability and intellectual integrity to be taken seriously anymore and from here on out I will disregard anything and everything you say due to your ignorance and bigotry. May your god take mercy on your soul.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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I have no idea what you're saying anymore. You lack any coherent point nor does any of your sentences follow the grammatical structure present in the English language. I suggest you go take typing lessons, study up on how to formulate a well-structured sentence, and also learn how to be precise and concise with your statements.

You lack the mental stability and intellectual integrity to be taken seriously anymore and from here on out I will disregard anything and everything you say due to your ignorance and bigotry. May your god take mercy on your soul.

Well, its not my fault these dogs have such a bad rep. I can see owning one on a farm but theres just no way with toddlers and seniors in the neighborhood this dog is a go to pet. Common sense is common sense. They are nice with the owner and only perhaps nice with the public, even with introductions. That will never work...esp with the addictive chemical released every time they get angry....I'm not trying to win an argument, simply jotting down thoughts. Society as a whole is not producing stable people to begin with never mind dogs. I'm hiking over to something else. I'm sure there are many great owners with their pit bulls no doubt, and crumby ones making it difficult for everybody.
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