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Old 07-21-2012, 11:30 PM
 
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I watched the above clip of the nice dogs...they seem nice and I know dogs love to try and suggest they have a job to do protecting...thats why I think they may be good for a farm where aggressive animals may be on the loose..

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Old 07-22-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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I watched the above clip of the nice dogs...they seem nice and I know dogs love to try and suggest they have a job to do protecting...thats why I think they may be good for a farm where aggressive animals may be on the loose..
On a farm........... I think your post tells it all.........l you just don't like dogs. It's not your place or anyone else to tell others what kind of dog to have or where dogs can be raised. The best thing to do is educate yourself that it's people who don't spend time with their dogs and never give enough training that makes the dog personality and makes a dog aggressive or fearful.

Training and spending time with ones dog is what makes a dog a good dog. I don't think dogs grow up thinking they'll be mean to humans, it's usually the other way around.............


The only fear is man's fear of never understanding the canine.............
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Old 07-22-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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Nope. Pits should not be banned. If you do your research and not just get your information from the biased media, you may understand that just like any dog -- if an owner doesn't train them, or teaches the dog (any dog) to be aggressive, they will be aggressive. Any dog can bite, from a teacup yorkie to a bull mastiff, greyhound and yes, pit bull - a good owner knows that and tries to keep the dog away from those situations, but knows the limit of the dog. A bad owner encourages aggressive this behavior.

The numbers are definitely skewed against pit bulls when it comes to bites...even the CDC report references that. There are many animals that are mistaken for pits - especially if the alleged bit is never found.

Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

If someone is bit by a dog that isn't caught, and this person says it was a pit, that's a mark against the pit, even if it happened to be one of the dogs in the above link. Even I, who has lived with a pit before, can mistake another lookalike dog for a pit.

More owner training and owner background checking should be done before anyone can purchase a pit, but I do realize that's a tall order with all the backyard breeders around that sell these pups for $100.

Banning, imo, doesn't help the majority of pits that have never, and probably will never, harm another human or animal because a minority - or a dog mistaken for one has.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Why aren't these zeolots that fear these dogs addressing the real problem, which is breeding. Why not do mandatory spay and neuter, with permits or licensing for the amstaff's. Maryland passed an ordinance that calls these dogs "inherently dangerous", which means apt. owner, shelters, and rescuers, could be held responsible is something bad happens. That's spreading the responsibility, rather than holding the owners responsible, spread the wealth, spread the liability, spread the blame - it's all wrong. These kind of blanket laws do much more harm to people and animals. It's also very costly for shelters, enforcement, the court systems.
If you look at pitbulls for sale in Maryland, there are loads of ads for puppies. Why label them and continue to have people breeding them in staggering numbers. It doesn't make sense. Stop the breeding. Most of us that love these dogs, would support that, because we want to stop the abuse and negligence too.
You would still have the mixes, but you would stop the majority of indiscriminate breeders just out to make a buck.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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I don't they should be banned. Instead we need to destroy the specific pit bulls who kill people. There never should be a debate, if a pit bull kills it get's killed period. Putting it to sleep is too humane. These dogs caused much terror, pain, and suffering to their victims and they should feel the same exact sensations in their final moments of life.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I don't they should be banned. Instead we need to destroy the specific pit bulls who kill people. There never should be a debate, if a pit bull kills it get's killed period. Putting it to sleep is too humane. These dogs caused much terror, pain, and suffering to their victims and they should feel the same exact sensations in their final moments of life.
You want to enact violence on a dog. Violence begets violence, we need less of that in the world, not more. Bottom line, it's a people problem and you want to contribute to it.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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You want to enact violence on a dog. Violence begets violence, we need less of that in the world, not more. Bottom line, it's a people problem and you want to contribute to it.
Not on random dogs, only on killer dogs.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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The numbers are definitely skewed against pit bulls when it comes to bites...even the CDC report references that. There are many animals that are mistaken for pits - especially if the alleged bit is never found.

Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

If someone is bit by a dog that isn't caught, and this person says it was a pit, that's a mark against the pit, even if it happened to be one of the dogs in the above link. Even I, who has lived with a pit before, can mistake another lookalike dog for a pit.

I bet most people who favor banning them would think all 25 dogs pictured are pits.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: First Hill, Seattle
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Why aren't these zeolots that fear these dogs addressing the real problem, which is breeding. Why not do mandatory spay and neuter, with permits or licensing for the amstaff's. Maryland passed an ordinance that calls these dogs "inherently dangerous", which means apt. owner, shelters, and rescuers, could be held responsible is something bad happens. That's spreading the responsibility, rather than holding the owners responsible, spread the wealth, spread the liability, spread the blame - it's all wrong. These kind of blanket laws do much more harm to people and animals. It's also very costly for shelters, enforcement, the court systems.
If you look at pitbulls for sale in Maryland, there are loads of ads for puppies. Why label them and continue to have people breeding them in staggering numbers. It doesn't make sense. Stop the breeding. Most of us that love these dogs, would support that, because we want to stop the abuse and negligence too.
You would still have the mixes, but you would stop the majority of indiscriminate breeders just out to make a buck.
An apartment owner can always just ban pets. Rescuers and shelters have a duty to make sure the dogs they take in are secured, so they'd be liable for a dog bite if they were negligent regardless of whether it was a pit bull or not. I think the law is fine and addresses the problem. If you want to get a pit bull, then you assume the risk of liability.

At any rate, I've met some very nice pit bulls with good owners. However, the numbers speak for themselves. There are bad pet owners everywhere that own all kinds of dogs. I find it hard to believe that the reason why pit bulls attack with more frequency is because owners of pit bulls are SO much worse than owners of other dogs. Some breeds have known dangerous propensities. Pit bulls are one of them.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: First Hill, Seattle
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I don't they should be banned. Instead we need to destroy the specific pit bulls who kill people. There never should be a debate, if a pit bull kills it get's killed period. Putting it to sleep is too humane. These dogs caused much terror, pain, and suffering to their victims and they should feel the same exact sensations in their final moments of life.
It's not quite the same when you have a dog. Dogs just act instinctively. They're animals. They aren't capable of knowing what is right and wrong. Some dogs just have more dangerous propensities than others, and those dogs who kill or severely injure people need to be put down but no reason not to do it humanely.
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