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Old 07-15-2012, 08:15 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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it's a good thing the potus can only occupy the throne for 8 years,, shwew than god..


the big question is, can we survive another 4.5 years???

 
Old 07-15-2012, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by jkbatca View Post
Focus on this statement:

"If you got a business, you didn't build that. Someone else made that happen." That is what the issue is.

In no way shape or form did a teacher or a road builder build someone's business for them. The business owner HIM or HERself had to plan / collect funding / market the product / TAKE THE RISK TO DO IT. Saying the teacher or infrastructure builder did that is so ludicrous it's laughable. They took NONE of the risk.

This socialist meme that Elizabeth Warren started has to be addressed. Teachers and infrastructure builders have contributed to society, but (a) they contribute to EVERYONE in society, (b) get paid by taxes from the government the PEOPLE set up, and (c) are answerable to the PEOPLE, not the other way around. They do NOT directly participate in and take the risk in the process of building a business, period, no matter how you spin it, only business owners do. Business owners pay tax, so they do not have to answer to teachers or infrastructure builders. THAT is what Obama doesn't get.

Well, if it isn't 100% crystal pure clear by now on who you're voting for (or NOT voting for) this November for president, you are an idiot.

I knew a guy who started a successful trucking company. He borrowed money to buy his first truck (banker helped him) and drove it himself (whoever taught him to drive helped him). He hauled chickens (thanks to Pilgrim's Pride in Mt. Vernon, TX) to Colorado and Utah (thanks to the roads somebody built and maintains). His backhaul was usually potatoes from the San Luis Valley (thanks to all those farmers, their workers, the buyers and brokers) to Dallas (thanks to the vegetable wholesalers, retailers and customers who bought the potatoes). He filled his truck up with fuel made by somebody somewhere (thanks to the thousands of oil company engineers, drillers, refiners and truckers). When he needed tires, he bought them (thanks to the retailers and Goodyear). When his truck needed servicing and repairs, somebody provided it for pay.

But, as you can see, he made it entirely on his own. Nobody else had anything to do with his success.
 
Old 07-15-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Full time RV"er
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Where was everyone when I started my business? I could have used some help lol.
I can not agree with you more !.

I have asked myself the same question since I first heard his comments.

I am just finishing up building my 24 ft Ice Cream concession trailer from the ground up, 9 months of construction ,long hours, all this by myself, ( whoops ! I had help putting the roll of roofing up on top and the A/C unit) ,
I never saw or heard any else helping me. OH yea ! now i know what he was talking about !.

Having been retired (71 yrs old ) cost of living going UP! , cost of food going UP!, price of gas going UP!. S.S. going DOWN!. I have to guess thats the help he was talking about. Kind of an incentive for me to come out of retirement.

The way I look at it is that I am a good American, and unlike him I have put my own blood , sweat and money into this trailer and in doing so, I will create work for 2-3 people that will pay additional taxes ( as I will do too).

Now I know this will not straighten out the worlds problems, but it will for two of my friends that some how are overqualified at age 58 for any of the jobs out there that he say he created ! and yea I will have to teach them how to dip Ice Cream ( ha,ha,) . Seems there are no government / retraining programs out there doing that ! ( maybe I will qualify for a tax break?
 
Old 07-15-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: US
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I am so shocked. I listened to the video and read the transcript. He really talks about two different things--benefits and privileges we enjoy as a US citizen and businesses. His words, "[i]f you've got a business--you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" are absolutely wrong, and it is just not right for him to say that. I am very grateful for the benefits and privileges I enjoy as a US citizen. However, as others have said here, there wasn't "somebody else," to bear the responsibilities for employees, finances, equipment, losses. It wasn't "somebody else" that worked 20 hours a day. It wasn't "somebody else" that earned our customers' trust.

He just continues to kick small businesses in the teeth, and we are taking note of that. I can only attribute this to the fact that he has never been at the reigns of a business.
 
Old 07-15-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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I knew a guy who started a successful trucking company. He borrowed money to buy his first truck (banker helped him)
Banker got paid back with interest.

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Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
and drove it himself (whoever taught him to drive helped him).
And got paid for the commercial driving instruction.

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He hauled chickens (thanks to Pilgrim's Pride in Mt. Vernon, TX)
Not sure what this means.

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to Colorado and Utah (thanks to the roads somebody built and maintains).
Taxes paid by American citizens out of their hard-earned paychecks.

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His backhaul was usually potatoes from the San Luis Valley (thanks to all those farmers, their workers, the buyers and brokers)
That are paid to produce and distribute these goods.

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to Dallas (thanks to the vegetable wholesalers, retailers and customers who bought the potatoes).
And then sell them for profits to consumers.

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He filled his truck up with fuel made by somebody somewhere (thanks to the thousands of oil company engineers, drillers, refiners and truckers).
They sold him oil because he would pay them more than it cost them to produce it.

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When he needed tires, he bought them (thanks to the retailers and Goodyear)
Who sold him those tires at a cost higher than what it cost them to produce them.

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When his truck needed servicing and repairs, somebody provided it for pay.
A pay that was higher than what it cost them to provide the service.

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But, as you can see, he made it entirely on his own. Nobody else had anything to do with his success.
Yep, entirely on his own. Nobody gave him anything for free. He marshaled his resources and created value for others.
 
Old 07-15-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
I knew a guy who started a successful trucking company. He borrowed money to buy his first truck (banker helped him) and drove it himself (whoever taught him to drive helped him). He hauled chickens (thanks to Pilgrim's Pride in Mt. Vernon, TX) to Colorado and Utah (thanks to the roads somebody built and maintains). His backhaul was usually potatoes from the San Luis Valley (thanks to all those farmers, their workers, the buyers and brokers) to Dallas (thanks to the vegetable wholesalers, retailers and customers who bought the potatoes). He filled his truck up with fuel made by somebody somewhere (thanks to the thousands of oil company engineers, drillers, refiners and truckers). When he needed tires, he bought them (thanks to the retailers and Goodyear). When his truck needed servicing and repairs, somebody provided it for pay.

But, as you can see, he made it entirely on his own. Nobody else had anything to do with his success.
Sounds like you just want credit for other people's success.
 
Old 07-15-2012, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Just one more piece of evidence showing that he is a post turtle.


An old rancher is talking about politics with a young man from the city. He compares a politician to a "post turtle". The young man doesn't understand and asks him what a post turtle is.

The old man says, "When you're driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle. You know he didn't get up there by himself. He doesn't belong there; he can't get anything done while he's up there; and you just want to know what kind of dumbazz put the poor, dumb thing there in the first place."
 
Old 07-15-2012, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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it's a good thing the potus can only occupy the throne for 8 years,, shwew than god..


the big question is, can we survive another 4.5 years???
And the short answer "NO". And fhe longer version is "OH HELL NO".
 
Old 07-15-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: In Transition
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Originally Posted by stillkit View Post
I knew a guy who started a successful trucking company. He borrowed money to buy his first truck (banker helped him) and drove it himself (whoever taught him to drive helped him). He hauled chickens (thanks to Pilgrim's Pride in Mt. Vernon, TX) to Colorado and Utah (thanks to the roads somebody built and maintains). His backhaul was usually potatoes from the San Luis Valley (thanks to all those farmers, their workers, the buyers and brokers) to Dallas (thanks to the vegetable wholesalers, retailers and customers who bought the potatoes). He filled his truck up with fuel made by somebody somewhere (thanks to the thousands of oil company engineers, drillers, refiners and truckers). When he needed tires, he bought them (thanks to the retailers and Goodyear). When his truck needed servicing and repairs, somebody provided it for pay.

But, as you can see, he made it entirely on his own. Nobody else had anything to do with his success.
Let me put it this way (and someone else just said this), business people take existing resources from where-ever, take a risk, and create new products & services from that. That value added is what Obama said didn't happen. Why is the issue on this thread so hard to understand?

Also, BTW, teachers do NOT teach everything a business person has to know to run their establishment. In fact, if you go to engineering school, all those professors will tell you you just get the fundamentals and you have to learn (constantly) when you go out on your own. It is the same for business and many other professions, all this about how much teachers input into a business does NOT take into account how much a business person has to learn by experience on their own outside of the classroom. So yeah, teachers provide input but the business person has to go out and learn a WHOLE LOT MORE on their own. And THAT is what Obama does not recognize in his statement.

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Old 07-15-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: In Transition
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Banker got paid back with interest.



And got paid for the commercial driving instruction.



Not sure what this means.



Taxes paid by American citizens out of their hard-earned paychecks.



That are paid to produce and distribute these goods.



And then sell them for profits to consumers.



They sold him oil because he would pay them more than it cost them to produce it.



Who sold him those tires at a cost higher than what it cost them to produce them.



A pay that was higher than what it cost them to provide the service.



Yep, entirely on his own. Nobody gave him anything for free. He marshaled his resources and created value for others.
Exactly. Obama and many on the left think a lot of what we have today just manifests itself magically out of thin air. It actually takes a lot of risk, hard work, learning on their own, and guts to do this.
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