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View Poll Results: Do you think Congress should raise taxes every time we go to war?
Yes, wars are expensive. 20 68.97%
Yes, and make the rich foot most of the bill. 10 34.48%
No, let the next generation bear the burden. 1 3.45%
No, let's continue borrowing from other countries. 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-16-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The OP forgot another choice....

Lets have the 51% that pay no taxes and live off of welfare, food stamps, EBT cards and local handouts sell their expensive cars, their AC units, their X-Boxes, PS3's, Nintendo's, 50" HD TV's, all their gold and diamond jewelry, and give up drugs for the remainder of the war and turn all the money they made off their sold items back to the government.

That makes this raise tax rates more equitable for the remainder of Americans who do pay taxes and aren't baby factories....
Sure! Let's also take all those offshore accounts from people like Mitt Romney and cover the cost as well. How many people do you know on welfare personally?
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Austin
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So you characterize the majority of Americans as gold wearing drug using welfare and food stamp recipients who drive expensive cars ?

You seem to hate Americans more than Al Qaeda does.
Thank you! I couldn't have said it better. Those welfare recipients aren't the ones with offshore accounts that are outsourcing jobs overseas. In fact, many of them are those whose jobs have been outsourced.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I would favor a surtax amendment where the tax automatically is eliminated at the conclusion of the war, on a prorated 1040 basis. So if war starts in Nov, 2013 and ends June, 2015, one pays 2/12 surtax in year 1, 12/12 in year 2, 6/12 in year 3. Surtax should be flat tax on the first 20k Gross, not adjusted taxable income. All benefit from the effort, and all should pay the same surtax assuming they gross 20k.

I would also want an amendment prohibiting Congress from adding the surtax for any other purpose. In short, make it a "No vote required" situation.
Interesting concept, but flat taxes only benefit the wealthy and not the working class.
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:35 PM
 
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A friend of mine said he thinks they should have a Constitutional Amendment requiring Congress to raise taxes whenever we go to war. His argument was that wars are expensive, and its always the next generation forced to bear the burden. In addition, wars have a long track record of ballooning up our national debt. My friend, who's studying to be a lawyer, has a pretty solid argument. Do you think we should raise taxes whenever we go to war, or should we all take Grover Norquist's advice and never raise taxes no matter what?
Well it's a good thing that Congress hasn't declared "war" or was in a "state of war" since 1942. The Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War I & II, and the war in Afghanistan are what's known as "military engagements."

Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-16-2012, 11:35 PM
 
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Interesting concept, but flat taxes only benefit the wealthy and not the working class.
It's not about benefit, or Robin Hood wealth redistribution,its about paying the same fair share for the truly common good, and would serve as a deterent for nation building wars.

Many of my relatives bought WWII war bonds despite meager incomes. They wanted to participate in any way they could. Same concept.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Well it's a good thing that Congress hasn't declared "war" or was in a "state of war" since 1942. The Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War I & II, and the war in Afghanistan are what's known as "military engagements."

Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, but back then the richest 1% paid a top tax bracket of over 90%.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:12 AM
 
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It's not about benefit, or Robin Hood wealth redistribution,its about paying the same fair share for the truly common good, and would serve as a deterent for nation building wars.

Many of my relatives bought WWII war bonds despite meager incomes. They wanted to participate in any way they could. Same concept.
Progressive taxes ARE fair taxes.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:22 AM
 
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A war tax should not be viewed as an income tax, but it should be a flat surtax per individual. Nothing should be modified to the overall tax rate structure.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:25 AM
 
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Yes, but back then the richest 1% paid a top tax bracket of over 90%.
LOL! They STOPPED working, lowering our GDP. Reagan would REFUSE a 4th annual movie to not "jump brackets" just for Uncle Sam.

When each president cut rates, including JFK, revenue rose. Even during the recession, Federal Income tax collections are manyfold where they were 10,20,50 years ago, adjusted for inflation.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Austin
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A war tax should not be viewed as an income tax, but it should be a flat surtax per individual. Nothing should be modified to the overall tax rate structure.
Even so, the working class would still be bearing most of the burden. The rich should pay for their own wars since they're usually the ones waging it.
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