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Old 08-01-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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Those who have the most money seem to be the ones who cry the loudest about the taxes they have to pay. This is in direct correlation to the feelings of 'privilege' they carry with them - that somehow they are in the world to enjoy it and be served by others because they are 'superior' to others.
Long time no see Kramer.

The reason they're crying is because they don't know how to make a living without devaluing all others 'beneath' them who propped them up all along. Which is not to be confused with legitimate commerce.

So... which economic plan do you prefer to participate in?
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Old 08-01-2012, 05:03 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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The reason they're crying is because they don't know how to make a living without devaluing all others 'beneath' them who propped them up all along. Which is not to be confused with legitimate commerce.
Actually, this description fits Dems far better. They are the ones who are amassing large numbers of human beings to prop them up via dependent status. Ergo the efforts at distribution of wealth in order to gain their favor, come voting time.

Which is not to be confused with legitimate voting.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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Obama is insourcing illegal alien labor by promising them amnesty and in fact has already given over 1 million of them that along with work permits so tell me how that is any different?
The Mexicans who were brought over at an early age and have become educated and a positive aspect of our society - I see no negative aspect at all in their remaining here.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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Obama is insourcing illegal alien labor by promising them amnesty and in fact has already given over 1 million of them that along with work permits so tell me how that is any different?
BS! Obama has not personally hired any illegals and there are no illegals working for him at the white house.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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Long time no see Kramer.

The reason they're crying is because they don't know how to make a living without devaluing all others 'beneath' them who propped them up all along. Which is not to be confused with legitimate commerce.

So... which economic plan do you prefer to participate in?
As you know, I support Ron Paul as the only candidate with the honesty and intelligence to lead this country out of it's dilemna, but since Americans are too stupid to vote for him, we will continue to borrow more and more from the Fed in order to maintain the current stagnation, until we are the equivalent of Greece.

I do not want any free money given out as welfare, food stamps, section-8, etc. That money needs to have units of work associated with it. A government job can range from a scientist to a day-care worker - but end the 'free' money, as it helps no one, and degrades the society at large.

I want a special tax on all jobs outsourced to other countries. I want to end the tax shelters that go hand in hand with the outsourced jobs. Just as Japan was forced to provide American jobs in order to sell it's cars here, corporations must foot some of the cost that their outsourcing has forced the taxpayer to bear.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:49 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I do not want any free money given out as welfare, food stamps, section-8, etc. That money needs to have units of work associated with it. A government job can range from a scientist to a day-care worker - but end the 'free' money, as it helps no one, and degrades the society at large.
Spot on!

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I want a special tax on all jobs outsourced to other countries. I want to end the tax shelters that go hand in hand with the outsourced jobs. Just as Japan was forced to provide American jobs in order to sell it's cars here, corporations must foot some of the cost that their outsourcing has forced the taxpayer to bear.
You've got a little bit more of a problem here. There's a conflict of interest between those who expect their exorbitant pensions to be paid, and those who want to place limits on off-shoring jobs.

CalPERS and other pension programs like them DEMAND corporate profitability (which unfortunately frequently means off-shoring jobs). Why? Because they need a high rate of return to pay those pensions.
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"...working people have bought enough stocks and shares to become bosses of the bosses. And some pension funds have begun making that clear. CalPERS, the California Public Employees' Retirement System, has led the way in telling Chief Executive Officers (CEOs) and boards of directors that they'd better manage effectively or else. And, CEOs and directors listen; after all CalPERS runs the country's biggest pension fund"
Business Ownership & Labor Day
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:04 PM
 
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Spot on!

You've got a little bit more of a problem here. There's a conflict of interest between those who expect their exorbitant pensions to be paid, and those who want to place limits on off-shoring jobs.

CalPERS and other pension programs like them DEMAND corporate profitability (which unfortunately frequently means off-shoring jobs). Why? Because they need a high rate of return to pay those pensions. Business Ownership & Labor Day
Union pensions need to compromise or face insolvency, just as union workers sometimes have to.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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America's middle class was outsourced to India and China for greedy CEOs to pay themselves millions in salary & bonuses


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Monday, Feb. 28, 2005 10:46 a.m. EST
Hillary in India: 'Outsourcing Will Continue'

In comments that may cause her trouble back home, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton told political and business leaders in India over the weekend that she supports outsourcing U.S. jobs to the populous South Asian country, while acknowledging that it hurts American workers back home.

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Old 08-01-2012, 09:56 PM
 
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Union pensions need to compromise or face insolvency
Anyone see that happening? Are union members agreeing to reduced pensions to save U.S. jobs?
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Old 08-02-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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Anyone see that happening? Are union members agreeing to reduced pensions to save U.S. jobs?
Here's one example, and it will happen more and more as cities approach bankrupcy.

'San Jose officials Thursday announced a tentative deal in which city firefighters would agree to reduce their pay and benefits 10 percent for the next two years to avoid further layoffs in the thinly staffed department.

The deal requires ratification from the city's 647 firefighters over the weekend and City Council approval Tuesday.

But it makes firefighters the first among San Jose's 11 employee unions to reach a deal on the 10 percent cuts Mayor Chuck Reed and the council have sought to help close a $105.4 million deficit in the budget for the fiscal year that begins July 1.'

Morning Splash: SJ Firefighters Union OKs Pay Cuts; PG&E Missed Replacing Doomed Pipeline by 1 Block | KQED News Fix
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