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You know, there is a comedian who goes by the name of Carrot Top I don't think it's right to start tagging this murderer with same name. I know you didn't start it in this thread. I'm just saying it isn't fair to the REAL Carrot Top.
Aside from that, I agree with you about what you're saying about this shooter. If he is mentally ill it's fruitless for GuyNTexas to try to apply logic to what the guy did or didn't do. And your John Nash example is a good example to use here. GuyNTexas is really good at making up scenarios based on the slimmest of rumor and hearsay.
Eyewitness testimony is not rumor or hearsay. One of the three witnesses to the guy in the theater who received a phone call and then opened the emergency exit was interviewed by Chris Mathews on HardBall, and he said that guy had a goatee ... obviously not Holmes. That's no slim rumor, that is strong evidence of an accomplice.
"The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day.
" .... one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack"
"The irony is amazing, just amazing," said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin."
I found this reporting surprising. From the HuffPost Denver site. Says that the TV station reported the psychiatrist notified the threat assessment team a month PRIOR to the shootings, but they took no action. Does anyone know if that time period is correct?
Anyway, it seems that CU has at least hired an attorney to look over what happened regarding the psychiatrist, the threat assessment team, and CU's practices and procedures in re Holmes.
"A Denver TV station reported this week that a university psychiatrist was so alarmed by graduate student James E. Holmes' behavior that she tried to bring him to the attention of the school's threat assessment team more than a month before the attack, but the group never met to talk about him because he had already taken steps to drop out."
"The school on Friday announced it had hired former U.S. Attorney Robert N. Miller to conduct a review of the university's procedures and actions in dealing with Holmes."
People, people, people ... Good Lord almighty ... the same script, over and over again, and nobody can see past their noses. As the story continues to "unfold", the picture of missed warning signs and a few dropped balls leads to the grand debate about whether there is sufficient culpability on the part of the University for their failure to recognize how truly troubled this kid was, and how they might have anticipated trouble and prevented this tragic event.
Former U.S. Attorney for Colorado, Robert N. Miller, is also the former JAG for the US Air Force, and a heavy hitting insider. Funny, since Holmes psychiatrist is a former "employee" of the US Air Force, in the psych warfare center at San Antonio, Texas. ... actually, not just an employee, but head psychiatrist. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
We've got the guy.
We've got his little confession notebook
We've now got the secret warning signs that went unheeded
Accomplices? Who needs stinking accomplices. We've got our man, and a crazy lone wolf he is.
Case closed. Move on now ... nothing else to see here.
Same song, played thousands of times, but nobody remembers the tune?
People, people, people ... Good Lord almighty ... the same script, over and over again, and nobody can see past their noses. As the story continues to "unfold", the picture of missed warning signs and a few dropped balls leads to the grand debate about whether there is sufficient culpability on the part of the University for their failure to recognize how truly troubled this kid was, and how they might have anticipated trouble and prevented this tragic event.
Former U.S. Attorney for Colorado, Robert N. Miller, is also the former JAG for the US Air Force, and a heavy hitting insider. Funny, since Holmes psychiatrist is a former "employee" of the US Air Force, in the psych warfare center at San Antonio, Texas. ... actually, not just an employee, but head psychiatrist. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
We've got the guy.
We've got his little confession notebook
We've now got the secret warning signs that went unheeded
Accomplices? Who needs stinking accomplices. We've got our man, and a crazy lone wolf he is.
Case closed. Move on now ... nothing else to see here.
Same song, played thousands of times, but nobody remembers the tune?
In re Robert N. Miller, got any links or other information to support what you said about his being an "insider"?
So tell us, is this government conspiracy going to have family members of victims sue the psychiatrist in civil court and get monetary damages in order to "hide" their conspiracy? Is that part of the plan too?
In re Robert N. Miller, got any links or other information to support what you said about his being an "insider"?
Read the GD reports for crying out loud, what? you want me to read them to you?
Maybe the US Attorney for Colorado, and former Judge Advocate General for the US Air Force is a low power position in your opinion ... whatever.
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So tell us, is this government conspiracy going to have family members of victims sue the psychiatrist in civil court and get monetary damages in order to "hide" their conspiracy? Is that part of the plan too?
Investigative background huh? What a laugh. First, you're making some large leaps with regard to the potential for civil suites. But you apparently cannot begin to comprehend the significance of hiring a character like Miller. What are they really afraid of? You think this University is going to go to this length to protect this psychiatrist? It's obviously a waste of time engaging you ... you're either playing games, or you really are this far into left field.
But are you also going to claim total ignorance of the history of egregious activities university medical centers have engaged in for decades on behalf of the government, and particularly the military? It's historically been one of the primary centers for human experimentation, both physical and psychological. There's probably a thousand books written about it ... countless investigative exposes' ... many of which involve psychiatric experimentation. And do you really think that this stuff is conducted by the occasional rogue doctor here and there, and not systematic?
We have a former DOD Psych warfare doctor who has been previously been cited by a medical board examination for reckless conduct with psycho-tropic drugs, to include drugging herself and family members too? And this deviate is Holmes psychiatrist? This is exactly the type of deviate one might expect to be engaged in such nefarious activities. It fits the profile perfectly. What do you need? A confession?
Read the GD reports for crying out loud, what? you want me to read them to you?
Maybe the US Attorney for Colorado, and former Judge Advocate General for the US Air Force is a low power position in your opinion ... whatever.
Investigative background huh? What a laugh. First, you're making some large leaps with regard to the potential for civil suites. But you apparently cannot begin to comprehend the significance of hiring a character like Miller. What are they really afraid of? You think this University is going to go to this length to protect this psychiatrist? It's obviously a waste of time engaging you ... you're either playing games, or you really are this far into left field.
But are you also going to claim total ignorance of the history of egregious activities university medical centers have engaged in for decades on behalf of the government, and particularly the military? It's historically been one of the primary centers for human experimentation, both physical and psychological. There's probably a thousand books written about it ... countless investigative exposes' ... many of which involve psychiatric experimentation. And do you really think that this stuff is conducted by the occasional rogue doctor here and there, and not systematic?
We have a former DOD Psych warfare doctor who has been previously been cited by a medical board examination for reckless conduct with psycho-tropic drugs, to include drugging herself and family members too? And this deviate is Holmes psychiatrist? This is exactly the type of deviate one might expect to be engaged in such nefarious activities. It fits the profile perfectly. What do you need? A confession?
You're getting overwrought here. What do you know about civil lawsuits and lawyers who file them? Not so much, it seems. No, I don't think the University is worried about protecting the psychiatrist, which is why I think they hired the lawyer. They, IMO, are concerned about their own liability in this thing.
Families would hire private lawyers to file civil lawsuits, so what exactly do you think the lawyer hired by CU could do to STOP them from such filings? For this to be the kind of conspiracy you're putting forward, then all the judges who MIGHT be on any civil lawsuit brought by the victims' families would have to be "in on it too" in order to throw out such lawsuits.
The problem with your conspiracy theory is that it involves TOO MANY PEOPLE....from so many different arenas. You've got people in the Air Force, people in the justice system, now people from the University of Colorado, etc., etc., etc. Just not feasible. People DO NOT KEEP SECRETS for the most part.....especially so many people from so many different government agencies, the military, the entire justice system in Denver, including the State Attorney's Office and the Judges and local law enforcement, and the University of Colorado!
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....... Funny, since Holmes psychiatrist is a former "employee" of the US Air Force, in the psych warfare center at San Antonio, Texas. ... actually, not just an employee, but head psychiatrist. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
......Accomplices? Who needs stinking accomplices. We've got our man, and a crazy lone wolf he is......
Where did you read that Dr. Lynne Fenton was a head psychiatrist in the psych warfare center at San Antonio?
As for accomplices, it's not impossible that someone helped him along the way, but we don't have any decent evidence for that. There are plenty of crazy lone wolves in the world.
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