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Old 07-23-2012, 08:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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He wasn't exactly trying to fit in. When the police apprehended him, he was sitting in his car behind the theater.

Go to Youtube and search "Aurora Theater Shooting", the first 18 minutes from the police scanner chatter for this incident are there. Parts of it are heartbreaking.

The Aurora PD did an amazing job, responding in less than two minutes and saving many lives.

He was caught because one of the SWAT members noticed his gear was a little different. He had one more piece that the SWAT teams don't wear, because it is too restrictive.

He was by his car but not sitting in it.
The more that comes out, the more we learn about the facts.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Listen to some of you. What kind of quality of life is that where every person is armed and ready to kill the next person..for what ever reason? It's like de-evolution at it's worst..As if you were cave men of limited brain power who ALL carried a big hardwood club- ready to crush the skull of the next guy----WHEN do you get to relax and have a real life? The way things are going it looks like some sort of very weird science fiction movie..or a type of unique civil war that has never been seen before.

Your government wants you to be armed and killing each other- it makes for easy policing and a kind of auto-control system...They say that America has made the mistake of trying to be the worlds police man...It seems that perhaps they have inadvertently turned all of you into un-paid cops....Cops that are untrained and bound to make mistakes- Look at that pseudo cop Zimmerman....He would not be fit to be a law enforcement officer- so why give a dweeb like that the idea that he is a cop...He is not...nor are most Americans-----------------Your law enforcement officers are your standing army- utilize them- improve the service- swell the ranks if need be...When citizens have to take on the role of peace officer...there can be no peace.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Let's say homeboy is waiting online at 7 eleven and a cop sees his piece...if the gun is illegal, he gets arrested. The act of even buying the gun can get you arrested. That's taking a leap into criminality that many people would never take.

In colorado, I can be walking around with an arsenal and I'm not breaking the law.

The difference is that when you buy illegal guns, you are actively breaking the law. That is a stretch that this lone loser may never have crossed it he couldn't just walk into a store and buy it..you think this guy was going to meet some guys in a back alley to buy guns? I doubt it.
Guess he'll just have to stuff gunpowder or chemicals and make some improvised grenades, or douse a portion of the theatre floor with gasoline before the people arrived and just strike a match. That and he can buy an AR/AK pistol illegally and stuff it in his coat.

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You'd have to make take a big risk to even hatch the plan he did if everything he bought had been illegal.

In short, if it hadn't been so easy to get an arsenal, this guy may have never had the guts to carry out this massacre. It may have remained a sick fantasy in his head.

Amazing I have to even spell this out for you gun fetishists.
Lots of other ways to carry out one's demented plans. Path of least resistence.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Listen to some of you. What kind of quality of life is that where every person is armed and ready to kill the next person..for what ever reason? It's like de-evolution at it's worst..As if you were cave men of limited brain power who ALL carried a big hardwood club- ready to crush the skull of the next guy----WHEN do you get to relax and have a real life? The way things are going it looks like some sort of very weird science fiction movie..or a type of unique civil war that has never been seen before.

Your government wants you to be armed and killing each other- it makes for easy policing and a kind of auto-control system...They say that America has made the mistake of trying to be the worlds police man...It seems that perhaps they have inadvertently turned all of you into un-paid cops....Cops that are untrained and bound to make mistakes- Look at that pseudo cop Zimmerman....He would not be fit to be a law enforcement officer- so why give a dweeb like that the idea that he is a cop...He is not...nor are most Americans-----------------Your law enforcement officers are your standing army- utilize them- improve the service- swell the ranks if need be...When citizens have to take on the role of peace officer...there can be no peace.
Why do you trust police with guns but not trained civilians? Because of a piece of metal they wear on their chest?

How often have you seen a crime occurring in a gun shop? Gun store?

Many people who are scared of living life just because people are legally carried are the same kinds of people who support the Patriot Act and other laws that exchange liberty for a little more perceived security. Get out and live life. Don't hide in your basements.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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Guess he'll just have to stuff gunpowder or chemicals and make some improvised grenades, or douse a portion of the theatre floor with gasoline before the people arrived and just strike a match. That and he can buy an AR/AK pistol illegally and stuff it in his coat.



Lots of other ways to carry out one's demented plans. Path of least resistence.
None as easy as the one he went down, thanks to the gun fetishists.

The logical leaps you guys will go to due to your gun fetishes is astounding. If you need power in your life, get educated and do something positive. Sitting there stroking the cold steel in a death fantasy is not giving you any power, even though you may think it does.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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None as easy as the one he went down, thanks to the gun fetishists.
The guy planned very well. It might've just taken him a little longer to carry out. What's a couple months waiting for your contact to obtain your Draco?

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The logical leaps you guys will go to due to your gun fetishes is astounding. If you need power in your life, get educated and do something positive. Sitting there stroking the cold steel in a death fantasy is not giving you any power, even though you may think it does.
That's nice.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Listen to some of you. What kind of quality of life is that where every person is armed and ready to kill the next person..for what ever reason? It's like de-evolution at it's worst..As if you were cave men of limited brain power who ALL carried a big hardwood club- ready to crush the skull of the next guy----WHEN do you get to relax and have a real life? The way things are going it looks like some sort of very weird science fiction movie..or a type of unique civil war that has never been seen before.

Your government wants you to be armed and killing each other- it makes for easy policing and a kind of auto-control system...They say that America has made the mistake of trying to be the worlds police man...It seems that perhaps they have inadvertently turned all of you into un-paid cops....Cops that are untrained and bound to make mistakes- Look at that pseudo cop Zimmerman....He would not be fit to be a law enforcement officer- so why give a dweeb like that the idea that he is a cop...He is not...nor are most Americans-----------------Your law enforcement officers are your standing army- utilize them- improve the service- swell the ranks if need be...When citizens have to take on the role of peace officer...there can be no peace.

CONTINUED: Here is my personal attitude about cops- I love them- respect them- support them- You must think of yourself as a king or queen- and that the cops are your trusted servants...That they are your own private hired guns. Cops need to be treated well- and they will take care of you- They are not your enemy.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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Why do you trust police with guns but not trained civilians? Because of a piece of metal they wear on their chest?

How often have you seen a crime occurring in a gun shop? Gun store?

Many people who are scared of living life just because people are legally carried are the same kinds of people who support the Patriot Act and other laws that exchange liberty for a little more perceived security. Get out and live life. Don't hide in your basements.
Any idiot can buy a gun...that doesn't automatically make them trained Why do YOU trust THEM??



You REALLY think that police are ineffective? We should just do away with cops and EVERYONE strap on a gun and then no more killing!!! REALLY!



Hope you never need a cop(actually I hope you do )
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Any idiot can buy a gun...that doesn't automatically make them trained Why do YOU trust THEM??
Because I'm not afraid to live my life unlike the anti-gunners.


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You REALLY think that police are ineffective? We should just do away with cops and EVERYONE strap on a gun and then no more killing!!! REALLY!
I just stated that it doesn't make sense to assume CCWers are ineffective and that police are effective.


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Hope you never need a cop(actually I hope you do )
That's nice.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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...and again, why should you even have to explain these points to these guys? Is anyone really this stupid?
Apparently.

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Everyone, except the shooter was hiding on the floor, so if there was return fire only the shooter, the one person standing, would have been hit.

The idea that the best defense against a gunmen on a murdering rampage like that is to lay down and wait until he has had his fill of murdering people, is stupid, to say the least.
Oh, you were there? As I understand it, the theater was pretty chaotic. If 'everyone' had been hiding under the seats, no one would have been shot, now would they?
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