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Old 07-23-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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Good grief! Is he and his campaign REALLY that stupid?
Comparing young Olympians to successful business entrepreneurs is what is stupid. These kids (they are mostly kids) did this with hard work plus the help of their coaches, parents, school officials, trainers, etc.. Business owners got where they are primarily on their own after years and hours of hard work.

Good grief.....

 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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These are pratically the same words he has been trying to discredit Obama for using.

Romney to Olympians: 'You didn't get here solely on your own' - First Read

"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].”
Great try, Finn. Have you noticed how many of your supporters don't have any idea where Romney said those things and when he said them? I don't think that Comenico Montanaro or you spent much of your early years working for some kind of sports acknowledgement. I say that because I coached some really dedicated athletes in my day who became state champions in hurdles. Yes the school district bought their hurdles that they practiced on, but other kids used them, too. We used them when we held meets of many schools. Yes, the district paid for the track they ran on but so many other kids used it and most of them never competed in a state meet. Three of those kids competed in college and did quite well. All of them competed in Junior Olympics at national meets. Ok, they weren't world class and didn't get to the Olympics but they never thought that the community was responsible for their achievements, either.

Now I don't know any school board members, taxpayers, or other employees who did a hell of a lot for those kids when it came to busting their butts during the summers as well as all year long. The community did provide the facilities and then allowed the kids to use them to get better. Also, the community sat on its hands and laughed at girls so stupid they were willing to put in all those hours working to get a goal.

One of those kids, my foster daughter, once asked me if people around thought she was crazy because she ran in snow in December as soon as the temp got above 0 degrees. My reply was that they had thought that about her for years because she worked out at nighty when others sat on their butts because they had been tho some kind of music contest all day. People laughed at her for working so hard all those years but she laughed her butt off at them when she continued to work that way to keep her scholarship in force, She didn't have to pay a lot of her costs in college although she did get a degree and then used her ability to coach to get a MS.

/Go back and read the words of Romney and then compare them to Obama's. Obama said the state made all those small business men successes and Romney only suggested that communities had contributed to their successes.

Hey, call the attention of your lefty supporters to the fact that Romney was talking to athletes at the Winter Games of 2002, since most of them missed that part, also.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:26 PM
 
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Are you saying Romey's views have 'evolved' in the past few years? You think he would not agree in saying that parents, teachers and community play any role in people's success?
What Romney said in 2002 about Olympic athletes is not even similar to what Obama stated about business. For you to try to equate the two is simply grasping at straws.

The words are very similar, but the subject matter is significantly different,...or do you not understand the difference? Romney said:
“Tonight we cheer the Olympians, who only yesterday were children themselves,” Romney said. “As we watch them over the next 16 days, we affirm that our aspirations, and those of our children and grandchildren, can become reality. We salute you Olympians – both because you dreamed and because you paid the price to make your dreams real. You guys pushed yourself, drove yourself, sacrificed, trained and competed time and again at winning and losing.”
That stands in stark contrast to what Obama said:
If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. ...........I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Read more: Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News
Olympians do the hard work and most get there because they are endowed with a gift of atheleticism and the tenacity to hone that gift to world-class competition. Their friends and family encourage them to excell,...but the government does not subsidize their efforts as Obama claims in the business world. In Obama's quote above, he ridicules the businessman for being "smart" and "hard working", something that Romney does not do.

If you can't see the difference, then one has to question your ability to think.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Nope, it is Party Uber Allis!


The base hated Romney during the debates, but will hold their noses and vote for him over any godless Demoncrap. And when he looses they will say it's because he "isn't a true conservative." And they will rinse and repeat in future election cycles until either the Republican Party has an about face, or they No True Scottman themselves into obscurity.
May I suggest that if The One allows us to have an election this fall there is a good chance that we won't have any more free elections as long as he and the successors, his supporters groom to replace him, when he gets too old to serve any longer because what he wants us to be doesn't call for elections. Geez, do I wish some of you people could see what is coming if he wins this fall.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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Who paid for the building of the Utah Olympic Park, Soldier Hollow and the Utah Olympic Oval? Those were tax-payer funded venues which those athletes used free of charge.

By the way, in case you're unclear about it, tax payer funded means....government.
That is exactly where you are wrong. Taxpayer money may get spent by government but it does not belong to that government. I am getting more and more afraid that many of you people really are strong socialists and being hauled along by other socialists.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:36 PM
 
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Go back and read the words of Romney and then compare them to Obama's. Obama said the state made all those small business men successes and Romney only suggested that communities had contributed to their successes.

Hey, call the attention of your lefty supporters to the fact that Romney was talking to athletes at the Winter Games of 2002, since most of them missed that part, also.
I don't have to go back and reread them, because I already compared them. I am not going to vote for either one of those guys, but these two speeches say the exact same thing, and Romney looks like a hypocrite now that he tried to smear Obama for saying the same things he said.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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It's the same speech. Obama said somewhere along the way there was a teacher who helped you, and Romney said the same thing. Both are stating the obvious, but Romney needs to do his homework before he goes all-in with his attacks, because it seems that time after time he ends up looking like the hypocrite of the decade.
One of them was talking about government being responsible for the successes of businesses because they paid for roads and bridges while the other merely said that those young people made it because others had supported them.

Hey, have you seen Krauthammer talking about the Romans building roads, bridges and canals over 2000 years ago? Was the Roman government before the Empire as socialistic as Obama is pushing us to be? I think that maybe you need to look at things a bit outside the lefty rose colored glasses.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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Actually, he didn't say the exact same thing... and it was in 2002 that he said it, 10 years ago!!!!. Not "less than a week" later. Reading the article MIGHT help you, but doubt it.

You are right, the tax payers ARE the government. We've paid for the roads and schools and fire department. No one is disputing that all those things are neccessary for EVERYONE, but just because we have a business does not mean we are MORE RESPONSIBLE for those things than someone else. We've paid for them already! The point that Romney made is that the athletes didn't make it on their own, because they didn't. They didn't pay for a single solitary thing. Everything they have from food and clothing to the venues was paid for by someone else so that they could focus solely on playing a sport. And it wasn't said as the President said it "you think you're so smart, other people are smart too." "You didn't build that, someone else made that happen". He said let's thank those people who helped you get to where you are, all the people who PAID FOR EVERYTHING! Sheesh!
I didn't read the article--I usually do--but I didn't this time. I was wrong about the time line. When I'm wrong, I admit it. That said, who, anywhere, is talking about raising corporate taxes and making business owners more responsible? My personal income taxes are based on my salary at the business, just like the salary I'd get anywhere else if I wasn't an owner. Lots of people pay personal income taxes to support the infrastructure needed for business, without ever owning a business themselves or benefiting in the same degree from the services. That's the point--we all pitch in together. My employees personal income taxes help go toward the roads and bridges that my business needs so it's possible for me to provide that employee with a job. We don't do it alone.

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Old 07-23-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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In obama's world, there will be no gold metals and no bronze metals, everyone who participates will get a silver metal. It's the only fair way to do it.. We have to share and make everyone equal..
Equality of condition is what I call it and we won't have even that since none of us will be equal to Obama or any of his czars, etc.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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The truth shall set you free...! Try it sometime...
Here's the point that you seem too dense to get--you don't have to be a democrat to despise (and I mean really truly despise) the tea party, and what you radical religious extremist nut jobs have done not only to the republican party, but to the country. You need to get the h*ll out of the party--the sooner the better--so we can rebuild back into the common sense, main street oriented leadership that we were until recently. I've moved independent this year. I plan on voting a straight R ticket on local races, largely because our state party and local politics haven't been taken over by you nuts yet. On statewide and national races, I'm taking it race by race. If the R is a crackpot, I'll either not vote, or hold my nose and vote D.
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