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That is true, and when enough landlords want it, they can work together to push for a government ban.
That doesn't even make sense Urban? Why would a bunch of landlords push for a government ban? Why would they need one when they can just ban it themselves?
In fact, I'd be willing to bet a landlord looking for lower premiums would NOT support a ban, because it'd be counter productive to them getting a discount on their premiums.. See, if they take the initiative themselves, their insurance company probably gives them lower premiums. If the government steps in and bans it for everyone, than it becomes the norm and insurance companies wouldn't give any special discounts to landlords for doing something they are legally required to do anyway.
Right, it does mention it, but is anecdotal at best. It's a long way from proving that a majority of landlords support these bans. It doesn't matter anyway, because no matter who pushes for them, they are wrong. If a landlord wants to ban smoking on their property, I'm all for it. The Government? Not so much.
Number one, I did read the link. And sure, I'd be happy to read over more if you in fact have them.
Number two, what do smoking bans have to do with making insurance premiums go down? If they want a lower premium, then they can ban smoking themselves without any need for the government to step in.
Yes I would be very interested in seeing those links. I'd be willing to bet for every pub owner who supports a ban, there are 100 more who oppose it, especially considering they could ban it in their specific pub themselves if they wanted. That's just it though, there are probably a few pub owners who don't like smoking, but won't ban it in their pub because they know they'll lose business, so they want EVERYONE to have to be smoke free so it's a level playing field. Bunch of cowards. I'm very interested in the links though.
Oh yeah? LOL, I'd sure like to see a link proving the relatedness of those two facts. hahah. Ever hear the phrase " correlation doesn't imply causation"? I think it applies just fine right here, but feel free to prove otherwise.
That is fine, you think smoking bans are wrong and I disagree with you. Smoking bans help with insurance because a landlord no longer has to prove that they ban smoking in their buildings, the law does it for them.
Actually most pub owners tend to enjoy the increase in revenues once smoking bans go in place.
If you want to see the links for England's smoking ban, just good England, Pub, Smoking ban, tons of links will pop up for you.
That doesn't even make sense Urban? Why would a bunch of landlords push for a government ban? Why would they need one when they can just ban it themselves?
In fact, I'd be willing to bet a landlord looking for lower premiums would NOT support a ban, because it'd be counter productive to them getting a discount on their premiums.. See, if they take the initiative themselves, their insurance company probably gives them lower premiums. If the government steps in and bans it for everyone, than it becomes the norm and insurance companies wouldn't give any special discounts to landlords for doing something they are legally required to do anyway.
Why does anyone lobby for anything? Not sure what you are having a hard time trying to understand here. With a ban, they would still get the discount on their insurance.
That is fine, you think smoking bans are wrong and I
disagree with you. Smoking bans help with insurance because a landlord no
longer has to prove that they ban smoking in their buildings, the law does it
for them.
So you're saying all these apartment owners in Santa Monica are getting their premiums lowered? Proof please?
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Actually most pub owners tend to enjoy the increase in revenues once smoking
bans go in place.
There are no increases in revenues after smoking bans go in to place. That is just a false promise made to business owners by groups who push for these smoking bans. The reality is, business suffers after the implementation of these bans. Many businesses in my area even closed after the ban went in to effect. Here's a link that shows businesses around the world who have self-reported losses after they were forced by their government to ban smoking.
If you want to see the links for England's smoking ban, just good England, Pub,
Smoking ban, tons of links will pop up for you.
No, I think I want to see the ones you read in order to be able to make the claim in the first place. See, the more you talk, the more I think you are just making things up and hoping you don't have to prove your claims later on. I asked you for a whole host of links you claimed to be able to provide and you conveniently ignored that request.
You can't just say something, say you can back it up, and then ignore requests to back it up. People aren't going to take you seriously.
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If you want to see the links for England's smoking ban, just good England, Pub, Smoking ban, tons of links will pop up for you.
You know what? Even though I still want to see the link YOU read, I took your advice and researched the subject myself. Now, lets go and take a look at your original claim about pub owners in England:
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apparently their is a
push by pub landlords in England to ban smoking in their pubs.
These are your own words, that you typed on Jan 21, 2014, and now I REALLY think you're just making things up, because as it turns out, smoking has been banned in England pubs since 2007, so, there isn't a "push", it's already been done. At first, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you may just be reading old links, but even that proved not to be the case as I couldn't find one link to back up your claim that there was a push amongst pub owners to ban smoking. Most claimed owners to have "fretted" over the ban, at best they said the ban was getting mixed reaction, but never did I read the owners themselves support the ban.
Not only that but do you remember when I said there were likely 100 owners who oppose it for every one that supports it? Turns out, I wasn't too far off. Five years after the ban, the BBC along with other news agencies like the one below report that 7 in 10 owners/licensees believe the government should at least amend the ban to allow a separate smoking room for pubs, while 6 in 10 believe that there should be designated smoking and non-smoking bars. 4 in 10 believe the ban should be scrapped altogether.
So you're saying all these apartment owners in Santa Monica are getting their premiums lowered? Proof please?
There are no increases in revenues after smoking bans go in to place. That is just a false promise made to business owners by groups who push for these smoking bans. The reality is, business suffers after the implementation of these bans. Many businesses in my area even closed after the ban went in to effect. Here's a link that shows businesses around the world who have self-reported losses after they were forced by their government to ban smoking.
No, I think I want to see the ones you read in order to be able to make the claim in the first place. See, the more you talk, the more I think you are just making things up and hoping you don't have to prove your claims later on. I asked you for a whole host of links you claimed to be able to provide and you conveniently ignored that request.
You can't just say something, say you can back it up, and then ignore requests to back it up. People aren't going to take you seriously.
You would have to email a Santa Monica landlord directly to get that answer, I am just speaking from conversations I have had with New York City landlords on this topic, so I don't have any internet link for you.
As for England's pub smoking ban, I have no interest in that story so I have no links to provide you, but you are welcome to read up on it if it interests you.
You would have to email a Santa Monica landlord directly to get that answer, I am just speaking from conversations I have had with New York City landlords on this topic, so I don't have any internet link for you.
As for England's pub smoking ban, I have no interest in that story so I have no links to provide you, but you are welcome to read up on it if it interests you.
Well, you are the one who made the claim that pub owners in England were pushing for a smoking ban. I showed that you were wrong and I have no idea where you got the basis for that claim.
Well, you are the one who made the claim that pub owners in England were pushing for a smoking ban. I showed that you were wrong and I have no idea where you got the basis for that claim.
.... me thinks you made it up :{
No, I said there is a lot of news about pub owners and smoking bans in England which was clouding my search. I was just stating that, you assumed I had any interest in a smoking ban in England pubs. So I don't know what you assume I made up.
I could find you more, but you probably don't care and probably won't even read the link I provided. You might think a smoking ban is wrong, but a landlord who is looking to make more money by having their insurance costs go down will disagree with you.
If you want to smoke in your own home (which an apartment is one you don't own, and a condo is one which you don't own the building) then you can always go and buy a house or in many cases rent a house because often times these laws do not include renters of single family homes, though I doubt many landlords would approve of renters smoking in their houses.
And if you are curious, I could find more links but apparently their is a push by pub landlords in England to ban smoking in their pubs.
Also in Colorado they banned smoking in casinos and saw a 20% drop in ambulance calls. Just a fun fact for you.
Pretty clear what you said.... Right there in B&W.
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So I don't know what you assume I made up
You made up the fact that pub owners were pushing for a smoking ban in their pubs, which you said you had links for, which I've yet to see. Now it would appear you're trying to move the goal posts and pretend that's not what you said.
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I lived in a "non smoking" building for 10 years, I smoked and hid it very well. No stains, no smells (Its amazingly simple to do this) and I got away with it. Sorry if I am renting that is my HOME, my home my rules.
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