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Makes sense to me. I've never understood why righties are so against this get tough on crime measure - they're usually in love with such things.
No, there's a hierarchy. White women aren't allowed to defend themselves. It's illegal according to juries. Gays aren't human, so where's the crime in that? Neither are blacks. Hispanics can kill blacks, but not white males. Then it's a crime to get tough about. Or if anyone steals his golf clubs. To hell with his kids, save the golf clubs.
A Mosque or Synagogue targeted with graffiti is freedom of speech. Unless a Muslim is inflicting graffiti on a Church, then it's a crime. Unless a white man is setting fire to a black Church, then it's freedom of speech again.
This could all be easily solved giving these privileged white males their own private gated community nation void of women, children, gays, blacks, asians, hispanics, all religions... and leave the rest of us out of their dementia with finality.
Hate crime laws are unconstitutional and need to be abolished.
Crimes were committed and the aholes who did them should be punished for the battery/assault that was committed in each of those listed.
Elevating one victim over another is ludicrous.
The crimes were committed for no other reason than sexual orientation.
That is more heinous.
People being targeted specifically is a hate crime.
Were they not gay, they would not have been targeted.
As another poster said, it's the motivation.
Show me where it's unconstitutional.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Pancake
Lol you assume the supreme retards are always correct in their rulings. Would you like me to list the countless times they have been wrong?
I believe that would be when you don't agree with them.
Am I correct?
I don't like to see crime committed against anyone but i don't agree with "hate crime" I doubt anyone loves you as they beat the crap out of you, rob you or kill you.
Motivation has long been factored into criminal charges.
Hence the reason you can kill someone and be uncharged, get manslaughter, murder 1, murder 2 and even the death penalty in cases where the murder(s) were "extra bad".
Motivation has long been factored into criminal charges.
Hence the reason you can kill someone and be uncharged, get manslaughter, murder 1, murder 2 and even the death penalty in cases where the murder(s) were "extra bad".
What's in a name, a pile of crap would smell as odious? This logic means what? If the death penalty applies to 10 other crimes, would should rename the crimes to service a generic heading of your preference? Why?
Frankly, the more I listen to like minded folks, the more I know you're just doing yet another habitual exercise of sweeping your own guilt under a rug. Deflect blame, dodge accountability for yourselves, and use the whole of western civilization as a predators playground for white male privilege. It's repugnant. It's not fit for children to be born into this sickness of men.
Well, at least a recent spate of seemingly anti-gay hate crimes (all in the last week or so) are receiving media attention. Unfortunately, incidents like these are all too common:
•"Nebraska cops are hunting three masked men who carved derogatory epithets into the body of an openly gay woman."
•"The woman, who is 33, was bound, gagged and mutilated early Sunday and the three attackers splashed the victim's home with gasoline and tried to set it on fire, scorching a floor, police reports state."
•"Derogatory terms associated with her sexual orientation were painted inside her home...crude words
referring to her sexual orientation were carved into her body."
•"Jon Ferguson says his car alarm woke him up and when he walked outside, a couple of people were vandalizing his car. As Ferguson approached them, one of the suspects threw something in his Camaro that caused an explosion and fire. Ferguson rushed inside his home and called 911. He also jumped in the shower and attempted to peel parts of his melted shirt off body."
•"...to make matters worse, the vandals spray painted a three-letter homophobic slur on his car. Ferguson is an openly gay man now doubting his decision to come out."
•"The family of a lesbian teenage girl from Louisville, Ky., says she was the victim of a hate crime after a group of adults brutally beat her while shouting homophobic slurs."
•"The girl, who is 16, is now recovering at home but suffered a number of substantial injuries, including a broken jaw, knocked out teeth, cuts and bruises."
•"The teenager was with two boys, ages 13 and 15, when the incident occurred. The boys claim that the group of adults yelled anti-gay epithets at the girl before she was assaulted."
•"A gay D.C. man underwent surgery this week after he and his partner were injured in a violent attack that local authorities are investigating as a hate crime."
•"...he and his boyfriend Michael Joel Hall Jr. were walking home July 22 when they were ambushed by about five teenagers... 'Four or five kids just came out of nowhere without any warning...We didn’t think it was a robbery because they didn’t immediately ask for something. They just came out swinging and hitting.'"
•"Hall, a 29-year-old yoga instructor, suffered a broken cheekbone and other facial injuries."
•"Openly gay, black 18-year-old Desean Bowman was slain by another black man at an East Baltimore gas station early in June, when the teen was dressed in women’s clothing."
•"The gunman shot Bowman for what witnesses say appeared to be 'no apparent reason' according to WBAL-TV11. The man was not looking for cash, which has prompted many close to the victim to speculate that homophobia motivated the killing."
•"A bar manager in Indianapolis, Ind., is positive that the drive-by shooting that took place last weekend was a hate crime"
•"'It was obviously a bullet," said Phil Denton, the manager who was working during the night of the incident. "We’ve had rocks thrown at us, and names shouted at us, but never before a bullet.'"
Question: aren't all violent crimes "hate" crimes? Are there actually any "love" crimes? I find the idea that crime against particular classes are worse than those against other groups. If a straight woman is killed, that's murder. If a gay woman is killed, that's a "hate" crime. Both are humans. Both are dead. The gay woman's life is worth more than the straight woman's life.
Question: aren't all violent crimes "hate" crimes? Are there actually any "love" crimes? I find the idea that crime against particular classes are worse than those against other groups. If a straight woman is killed, that's murder. If a gay woman is killed, that's a "hate" crime. Both are humans. Both are dead. The gay woman's life is worth more than the straight woman's life.
No. "Hate crime" is a colloquial term used in place of "bias-motivated sentence enhancement." These laws aren't about particular classes of victims - hell, they aren't even about victims at all (every single person under US jurisdiction falls under such laws). Bias-motivated sentence enhancement laws are about criminals and the circumstances and details of the crimes they commit. Bias-motivated sentence enhancement laws punish criminals with more heinous motivations more seriously.
Question: aren't all violent crimes "hate" crimes? Are there actually any "love" crimes? I find the idea that crime against particular classes are worse than those against other groups. If a straight woman is killed, that's murder. If a gay woman is killed, that's a "hate" crime. Both are humans. Both are dead. The gay woman's life is worth more than the straight woman's life.
No. "Hate crime" is a colloquial term used in place of "bias-motivated sentence enhancement." These laws aren't about particular classes of victims - hell, they aren't even about victims at all (every single person under US jurisdiction is capable of being a victim of a "hate crime" under any of the designated classes). Bias-motivated sentence enhancement laws are about criminals and the circumstances and details of the crimes they commit. Bias-motivated sentence enhancement laws punish criminals with more heinous motivations more seriously.
Question: aren't all violent crimes "hate" crimes? Are there actually any "love" crimes? I find the idea that crime against particular classes are worse than those against other groups. If a straight woman is killed, that's murder. If a gay woman is killed, that's a "hate" crime. Both are humans. Both are dead. The gay woman's life is worth more than the straight woman's life.
Oh, I am so sick of hearing ignorant people make claims like that. They obviously have no idea what they're talking about. They're just listening to right wing media and regurgitating the garbage that spews from the mouth of people like Rush Limbaugh.
No, there's a hierarchy. White women aren't allowed to defend themselves. It's illegal according to juries. Gays aren't human, so where's the crime in that? Neither are blacks. Hispanics can kill blacks, but not white males. Then it's a crime to get tough about. Or if anyone steals his golf clubs. To hell with his kids, save the golf clubs.
A Mosque or Synagogue targeted with graffiti is freedom of speech. Unless a Muslim is inflicting graffiti on a Church, then it's a crime. Unless a white man is setting fire to a black Church, then it's freedom of speech again.
This could all be easily solved giving these privileged white males their own private gated community nation void of women, children, gays, blacks, asians, hispanics, all religions... and leave the rest of us out of their dementia with finality.
The FBI hate crime statistics pretty much show how a wide variety of individuals including white men are charged with hate crimes.
What's in a name, a pile of crap would smell as odious? This logic means what? If the death penalty applies to 10 other crimes, would should rename the crimes to service a generic heading of your preference? Why?
Frankly, the more I listen to like minded folks, the more I know you're just doing yet another habitual exercise of sweeping your own guilt under a rug. Deflect blame, dodge accountability for yourselves, and use the whole of western civilization as a predators playground for white male privilege. It's repugnant. It's not fit for children to be born into this sickness of men.
Grow up or get that crack out of here.
All I did was factually explain that motivation is the key factor in determining what sort (if any) charges someone might face after killing someone. ie) A woman shooting a rapist breaking into her home at 3AM would not face charges while a guy that guns down his boss after a week of planning is going to be charged with pre-meditated murder.
I have no idea what the rest of your rant is about seeing as how I'm DEFENDING the application of hate crime which you apparantly completely missed before laying into me with a string of insults.
I was going to flame you back for misreading my post and unleashing such vitriol but I stopped and thought about it and just feel pity instead. I hope you are in a healthier emotional place in the future.
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