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Old 07-27-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Gee, let's see. 200+ million privately owned firearms vs. 1.4 million members of the military.

My money is on the privately owned firearms.
I know, I know. You'll whoop the US good...
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I know, I know. You'll whoop the US good...
With 40+ million well-trained former military now in the real-world (the civilian sector), it would not even be a contest.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Gee, let's see. 200+ million privately owned firearms vs. 1.4 million members of the military.

My money is on the privately owned firearms.

Conventional Bombs beat AR15's, hunting rifles, and handguns, most days.

So do nuclear weapons
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: southern california
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"What chance do you stand against the US military that they'd need to wait until they took your guns to subjugate you?"
-EddieB.Good
yes the us military is the almighty isnt it? yes that is why loosely connected bands of local militia with surplus russian weapons and cell phones have kicked our posterior for 10 years in the mideast isnt it?
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Conventional Bombs beat AR15's, hunting rifles, and handguns, most days.

So do nuclear weapons
Last time I checked the US military buys their aviation fuel from the civilian sector. If they go to war with the civilian sector, who will be supplying their fuel, band-aids, bullets, and beans? Without American civilians providing support, the US military would not be able to beat off a Girl Scout troop.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Last time I checked the US military buys their aviation fuel from the civilian sector. If they go to war with the civilian sector, who will be supplying their fuel, band-aids, bullets, and beans? Without American civilians providing support, the US military would not be able to beat off a Girl Scout troop.

They already have enough fuel, ammunition, etc to conduct a 90 day war without the American people.

And nuclear weapons have been removed from the personal responsibility a long time ago. The nuclear foot ball says go, it goes, no one can stop it.

We can't overthrow the government, and its stupid.

If you really want to go back to where we could do such a thing, then we have to cut defense.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Gee, let's see. 200+ million privately owned firearms vs. 1.4 million members of the military.

My money is on the privately owned firearms.
We've been through this before. The military has tanks, military jets, and all kinds of missiles and bombs. They have highly trained warriors and a surveillance / cyber capability that no one even fully knows about. The people with light firearms could mount a guerrilla resistance that would be annoying for a while, but unless some segment of the military defects, it would end up with the military crushing the opposition.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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They already have enough fuel, ammunition, etc to conduct a 90 day war without the American people.

And nuclear weapons have been removed from the personal responsibility a long time ago. The nuclear foot ball says go, it goes, no one can stop it.

We can't overthrow the government, and its stupid.

If you really want to go back to where we could do such a thing, then we have to cut defense.
Good luck with that. Insurgencies always last longer than 90 days. Let's see, the Iraq insurgency lasted 9+ years. The Afghanistan insurgency has lasted 11 years, and it is still going strong. The Philippine insurgency lasted 40 years before WE gave up and granted them their independence.

Besides, at least half the military would not obey an illegal order given by the President or any of their superiors.

Any administration that would even consider the possibility of using nuclear weapons on its own citizens is in desperate need to be overthrown, as quickly as possible.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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We've been through this before. The military has tanks, military jets, and all kinds of missiles and bombs. They have highly trained warriors and a surveillance / cyber capability that no one even fully knows about. The people with light firearms could mount a guerrilla resistance that would be annoying for a while, but unless some segment of the military defects, it would end up with the military crushing the opposition.
You can never fully eliminate the kind of small resistance that you are speaking of. Its why fighting foreign wars is stupid, because unless you kill everyone, someone will always oppose you.

Thats why we won the revolutionary war. We didn't defeat the British, we outlasted them.

But when we are talking about armed rebellion in the United States, and the troops are here, it wouldn't be pretty.

Armed rebellion on a massive scale was tried, and it failed. 1861-1865.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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We've been through this before. The military has tanks, military jets, and all kinds of missiles and bombs. They have highly trained warriors and a surveillance / cyber capability that no one even fully knows about. The people with light firearms could mount a guerrilla resistance that would be annoying for a while, but unless some segment of the military defects, it would end up with the military crushing the opposition.
All of that fancy equipment requires fuel. Where does the military get its fuel? We have highly trained warriors in the civilian sector as well. Were to do you think all those highly trained warriors go when they get out of the military, Mars?
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