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Old 07-27-2012, 05:57 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Post #17 gave you a necessary reason. The reliability of the firearms require the OEM for which they were designed and manufactured. Yet, you completely ignored that factual post.
The fact that some people own a firearm that uses 30 round clips is not a compelling reason to allow them. I didn't ignore the post, I simply didn't find it compelling.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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The fact that some people own a firearm that uses 30 round clips is not a compelling reason to allow them. I didn't ignore the post, I simply didn't find it compelling.
So design and reliability of function isn't compelling to you? I guess you think you can just ignore the physics of the forces which make the slide or bolt cycle, the casing extract and eject as well as the next round loading into the chamber, is that correct?

Do you understand that in the hands of LEOs and law abiding citizens that the failure of a firearm to function as designed due to the mandated use of reduced capacity magazines instead of OEM by bureaucrats and people like yourselves who have no actual knowledge of a functioning firearm costs lives? Or, is the loss of innocent life not compelling to you and CONTROL more important?
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:10 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Do you understand that in the hands of LEOs and law abiding citizens that the failure of a firearm to function as designed due to the mandated use of reduced capacity magazines instead of OEM by bureaucrats and people like yourselves who have no actual knowledge of a functioning firearm costs lives?

As many lives as shooting up a theater in Aurora?
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:12 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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As many lives as shooting up a theater in Aurora?
There's millions of other gun owners in this country who did nothing bad with their weapons. You can't put tens of millions at the mercy of criminals because of what one person did.

In case you didn't notice, the guy also had no problem making bombs from readily available meterials, and those could have killed more than he did with his guns.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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OEM = Original Equipment made by the Manufacturer

The firearm capacities of which Schumer, Feinstien, Boxer, Gillibrand and the other gun-brabbing control freaks of the elitist far left are not OEM.

OEM standard capacity magazines for a M4 platform AR-15 and similar semi-automatic (not assault weapon) is 30 rounds. When placing decreased/reduced capacity non-OEM magazines in same firearm they no longer reliably function thus placing in danger the lives of the operator due to probable malfunctions, be they LEO or civilian.
This is actually a very good point and unlike 99% of the posts about gun control, one that I've never seen or thought of before.

The magazine is definitely the weak link of any semi-auto as far as reliability. If you have a semi-auto rifle and have any inkling of ever using it for self defense, you want the most tested, most tried and true mag. For the AR that is the 20 or 30 round mag, for the Mini-14 the 20 round Ruger mag, etc.

IIRC when the 10 round mags started coming out in 1994 after the original "assault weapon" ban, several makers had problems with them. I want a mag that has been subject to years, if not decades, of manufacturing refinement.

You can be damn well sure that the secret service, and DiFi's, Schumer's, Lautenberg's security people are not carrying ten round mags. Why is their life more important than mine?
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:16 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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There's millions of other gun owners in this country who did nothing bad with their weapons. You can't put tens of millions at the mercy of criminals because of what one person did.

In case you didn't notice, the guy also had no problem making bombs from readily available meterials, and those could have killed more than he did with his guns.
This is a fair point. I want a safe community. Knowing that guns do -- either legally or illegally-- fall in to the hands of the mentally ill and criminals, has to be balanced against the rights and desires of lawful gun owners.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Don't know, but with 300 million firearms out there and the all the shoulda, coulda, woulda, foam frothing by the gun nuts, you all, by your own admission aren't scaring the criminals either.

Except that's not true at all.

Places that used to have strict guns laws which have been overturned (see Washington DC) saw an immediate reduction in crime.

How well are those strict gun control laws working out in Chicago?
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Life long gun owner and former competition shooter..
Why is 10 round mags not enough if the purpose is for plinking?
My 1911 has up to 8 and I have never felt it wasn't enough.
Now common sense.
10 round mags will still lay a hurting on a crowd of people. 20 rounds less hurting than a 30 round mag would do.
If its for home defence.
blazing 30 rounds in your house??????????
I dont see what the big deal is. But then I had no issue with the waiting period either.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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10 rounds? Are these people nuts?
They eventually want us all using musket front loaders, and then regulate sales of flint.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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I have to assume that Republicans believe that gun massacres are just part of American culture, and should be accepted as normal.
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