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Old 07-31-2012, 05:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
I hate to have to tell you this, but the NHS is a socialist program, as is Obamacare. And, Rush was exactly right in his assessment. What other reason could there be for putting on display a failed system which the British detest? This was Rush's point, which I guess you missed; but, you probably didn't here his comments first hand. I suspect you are regurgitating something you read at Media Matters or other left wing propaganda site. Right?
The NHS is a SOCIAL programme as in it is for everyone, not SOCIALIST! Please learn to differentiate.

Also where the hell did you find your data to support your "a failed system which the British detest?" crap? I'd love to see it, please post it. I love to be told what i think...

The NHS isn't detested in Britain, far from it.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:26 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Those idiots believe any form of Gov. that benefits the individual at all! is socialism
I guess you would say the Founders of our Republic (that's the United States, in case you don't know) were "idiots?"

You don't think that extracting the wealth of one group ("the rich") for redistribution to another group of the governments choosing is socialism?

And what do you call it when the government places limits on what a private industry may earn in profit, as has been done in the case of the so called "Affordable Care Act?"

What do you call it when the government mandates that a private insurance company cover "pre-existing conditions", which essentially allows one to wait till they are in need to purchase health insurance, and is most assuredly a recipe for bankruptcy of the insurance company?

I don't know what you may call it, but I don't call it free market capitalism, and it sure as hell isn't American. It is totalitarianism. It is tyranny.

And that is only part of what is wrong with the "AFA."
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:30 AM
 
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yeah, im pretty sure the olympic organisational team had an agenda other than "show London in a good light" in their minds when they were discussing logistics...

it makes perfect sense when you think about it.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Becasue, as everyone knows, the USA and OBAMA are the center of the universe.
Obama and the USA have nothing to do with it. The thread and Rush's comments were about Great Britain and the Olympics having a socialist bent.

And there were many comments here about the opening ceremony leaning in that direction.

Apparently, those comments flew right on by some folks, as did the jist of the opening ceremony. It's impossible to have not noticed it.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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The sad thing is the tea bagger nutjobs just eat it up. .
What do homosexuals have to do with this thread?
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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So why is the UK in such deep debt if free healthcare is problem free?
US Subprime Mortgages and an irresponsible Financial system ,perfect poster child of the free market and cherished capitalism of western nations ? Nah, couldn't be could it ?

The fat cats once again make a fortune and the people at the bottom end up dragged under... We bail out banks when we should have bailed out account holders and let the banks fail.


Germany has a Universal Healthcare system ( much better than the UK actually and far more expensive) and is doing much better than the US ( even when having to help to bail out Greece and Spain) and its economy actually growing... They also offer free maternity leave, generous paid vacation, and a magnificent social net , all this despite being capitalist and under a right wing government.

Go figure. A country which should be a total failure according to your simplistic understanding of economics actually does better than the US during a pretty dire economic crisis and deep recession. Economics not your strong point I gather ?!?
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Knightsbridge
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Obama and the USA have nothing to do with it. The thread and Rush's comments were about Great Britain and the Olympics having a socialist bent.

And there were many comments here about the opening ceremony leaning in that direction.

Apparently, those comments flew right on by some folks, as did the jist of the opening ceremony. It's impossible to have not noticed it.
Maybe I've missed it. A 'Socialist bent' would suggest the whole thing.

What does Peter Pan, Harry Potter and the Industrial Revolution have to do with Socialism?

In addition, it sounds like you think all socialism is bad. I might simply not have my definitions straight. Would you say all socialism is bad and, if so, could you give me a definition of socialism? Obviously, I don't want to debate things you aren't saying.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:38 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Limbaugh can not explain how the English love their socialized national health care system. Its not supposed to work, but it does work, Romney just said that Israel spends only 8 percent of its GDP on health care and the USA spends 18 percent not knowing that Israel has a national health care system. Crazy how these idiot tea baggers and radical right wingers want to keep a sinking boat.
Your post is laughable! It works? Who have you been talking to that says "it works?" People are left to die for lack of care. That is a fact. Look it up.

And, who's "keep[ing] a sinking boat? Who is sinking this "ship of state?" We are out of money, deeply in debt, yet the Democrats keep wanting to spend more, and continue to promote their failed policies!

Meanwhile, Americans need jobs which this administration actively blocks, offering instead extended unemployment checks and food stamps!

That is Obama's Amerika.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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What do homosexuals have to do with this thread?
Tea-bagging (assuming that's what your referring to) isn't something only performed by homosexuals, so, i'd like to ask you..

"What do homosexuals have to do with this thread?" why mention them?
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Would you define "The well to do" as having a net value of multiples of millions? If so your wrong and your assumption is misplaced. My family and i fit that criteria and we still use the NHS as our Healthcare Provider of choice.

So "guess what" they do.

Spot on, I live in one of the wealthiest parts of Britain and "socialise" with some pretty wealthy people ( I am a big fan of Polo and where there is Polo there is obscene amounts of money... ) and I think bar a couple of executives who get free private healthcare with their jobs every single one of them uses the NHS. Private Hospitals seems to be used by people as an "add on" by most people who can afford it at best. A "bonus" rather than the "norm".

I don't think I know one wealthy person whose baby was born in a private hospital. And they would most certainly never wish to disband the NHS anyway.

The problem is some of the posters here have not got a clue what they are talking about. They cannot grasp the concept that in Europe this is NOT a Political issue and a Universal Healthcare System is not divisive. In fact if anything it is the one uniting issue for ALL parties. But some American right wing nutjobs simply cannot see that because that would be so unpalatable wouldn't it.
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