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Old 07-29-2012, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I just put him on ignore no point in wasting time replying to a fool who refuses to even watch the video of what I am talking about.In these cases they don't GET IT until it happens to them.
Can't expect someone to actually know something about the subject before posting.
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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A whole lot of normal active kids are being put on terrible mind-altering drugs.

It's important for parents to find a pediatrician or family doctor that doesn't see potent drugs as the solution for everything, especially for natural activity levels and boredom.

The school also has to pay attention if the pediatrician recommends placing a child into the next grade in spite of low grades and inability to sit still -- but also parents need to keep in mind that a lot of diagnosis like ADHD have to do with how schools artificially force kids of the same age but not same abilities into one room and expect them to sit still for hours.

Something is wrong when so many kids have to be drugged to go to school.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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[quote=Middle School Mustache;25390909]They can if they make the kid custody of the state due to "neglect".

Exactly, and that is exactly what they do.

Last edited by CaseyB; 07-31-2012 at 04:56 AM..
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Guarantee this would happen to us if the schools try to say my kids need drugs. They would be taken out of public school that day and would never return.Me and my wife are the boss of what my children may and may not do not some judge and not some thug with a badge.

My sons former school teacher tried this.

So I took him to his doctor and had a full work up on him. Active, smart child, no ADD.

We had a parent teacher conference, he was reading second grade books like "music is fun, music is nice, music makes me dance" in class, when at home he is reading full on chapter books and tests at better then a 5th grade reading level.

And she wonders why he is bored in class?

Does any parent of an 8 year old boy know what they do when they are bored?
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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My sons former school teacher tried this.

So I took him to his doctor and had a full work up on him. Active, smart child, no ADD.

We had a parent teacher conference, he was reading second grade books like "music is fun, music is nice, music makes me dance" in class, when at home he is reading full on chapter books and tests at better then a 5th grade reading level.

And she wonders why he is bored in class?

Does any parent of an 8 year old boy know what they do when they are bored?
Sounds a lot like my son. Mother has claimed he is probably ADHD since I was supposedly ADHD when in reality they just didn't want to give me harder work or move me up in school so I was fed pills for 5 years and it did no good. My son is starting headstart this year and I got a feeling we are gonna be going through the same crap with him as I went through but I refuse to put him on medication when he doesn't need it. He has a very active imagination and loves all things trucks no matter what kind...most active kid I have ever seen he will be a handful but he isn't ADHD.
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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Unbelievable. Welcome to Amerika where parents have no rights to their children.
1. How justified is a local PD having tanks?
2. This presentation of facts lies through it's teeth 7 ways to sunday. I have no idea what threats were made by the mother that would make CPS believe the child & CPS agents were in danger.
3. Sane parents would have brought the child back to the individuals the moment psychiatric symptoms were presenting themselves. IF what the mother said was an extreme reaction to medication, this little girl had the potential to be lethal to the parent, and all around her.
4. If anything went wrong and she lost control of the child, the child would bear the brunt of legal consequences in juvenile detention likely well into her adult years. The parental neglect is not punished anywhere near the disturbed child would be in current legal frames.
5. The parent is not qualified to diagnose mental illness. She's in over her head and is too proud to admit it to the detriment of her daughter.
6. Our current ability to diagnose and treat ANY form of mental illness is crude & ineffectual. Just reality, and one we should all wish to improve, but invest little in R&D cures. Only symptom mgmt.
7. The reason why it's standard procedure to retain custody of anyone exhibiting mental distortions is to observe, diagnose, and do trial and error tests with medications to achieve mental stability. Psychotropic drugs prescribed by physicians do not always have consistent effects from one patient to another, for whatever reasons there are.
8. The behavior precipitating the original script should have happened in an institutional controlled setting.
9. If she reacted badly to the script, she needed to be rushed, not hidden from, that institutionally controlled setting. The doctors would have likely ended that treatment immediately, kept her mildly sepdated for a while to clear the other meds out of her system, and set up another course of treatment with higher degrees of professional specialists involved.
10. If the original meds were issued by a general practice doctor, the latitude GP's take when they delay referrals for specialist fields like psychiatry is showing it's logical limits.
11. Parental rights are the right to neglect? The childs right to effective care trumps parental rights.
12. What a shame adults surrounding this child (including the media exploiting her disease) can't get their own acts together to serve the best interest of the child.
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Sounds a lot like my son. Mother has claimed he is probably ADHD since I was supposedly ADHD when in reality they just didn't want to give me harder work or move me up in school so I was fed pills for 5 years and it did no good. My son is starting headstart this year and I got a feeling we are gonna be going through the same crap with him as I went through but I refuse to put him on medication when he doesn't need it. He has a very active imagination and loves all things trucks no matter what kind...most active kid I have ever seen he will be a handful but he isn't ADHD.
I'm not saying you shouldn't get your kid checked, might as well you never know. If one doctor diagnoses him with ADHD, get a second opinion.

There are kids that need help with medication, but just becasue your school says they need it, doesn't mean thats true.

My doctor was actually relieved when I said "I'd rather not medicate my son if possible", because he said a lot of parents walk in, and all they want is a pill to quiet a normal kid.

Scary times.
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:41 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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get ready for more zombie cannibals!!! big pharm is to blame , you take our little pills or else
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:45 PM
 
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I'm not saying you shouldn't get your kid checked, might as well you never know. If one doctor diagnoses him with ADHD, get a second opinion.

There are kids that need help with medication, but just becasue your school says they need it, doesn't mean thats true.

My doctor was actually relieved when I said "I'd rather not medicate my son if possible", because he said a lot of parents walk in, and all they want is a pill to quiet a normal kid.

Scary times.
Both the older kids were just checked and all came back normal as can be. I have already come to the conclusion that I am gonna have problems with my kids in public school either it be for what they are teaching them or them wanting them on pills I refuse to do. I am giving them a chance so hopefully it works out.
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Houston
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1. How justified is a local PD having tanks?
2. This presentation of facts lies through it's teeth 7 ways to sunday. I have no idea what threats were made by the mother that would make CPS believe the child & CPS agents were in danger.
3. Sane parents would have brought the child back to the individuals the moment psychiatric symptoms were presenting themselves. IF what the mother said was an extreme reaction to medication, this little girl had the potential to be lethal to the parent, and all around her.
4. If anything went wrong and she lost control of the child, the child would bear the brunt of legal consequences in juvenile detention likely well into her adult years. The parental neglect is not punished anywhere near the disturbed child would be in current legal frames.
5. The parent is not qualified to diagnose mental illness. She's in over her head and is too proud to admit it to the detriment of her daughter.
6. Our current ability to diagnose and treat ANY form of mental illness is crude & ineffectual. Just reality, and one we should all wish to improve, but invest little in R&D cures. Only symptom mgmt.
7. The reason why it's standard procedure to retain custody of anyone exhibiting mental distortions is to observe, diagnose, and do trial and error tests with medications to achieve mental stability. Psychotropic drugs prescribed by physicians do not always have consistent effects from one patient to another, for whatever reasons there are.
8. The behavior precipitating the original script should have happened in an institutional controlled setting.
9. If she reacted badly to the script, she needed to be rushed, not hidden from, that institutionally controlled setting. The doctors would have likely ended that treatment immediately, kept her mildly sepdated for a while to clear the other meds out of her system, and set up another course of treatment with higher degrees of professional specialists involved.
10. If the original meds were issued by a general practice doctor, the latitude GP's take when they delay referrals for specialist fields like psychiatry is showing it's logical limits.
11. Parental rights are the right to neglect? The childs right to effective care trumps parental rights.
12. What a shame adults surrounding this child (including the media exploiting her disease) can't get their own acts together to serve the best interest of the child.
You seem to have missed that part where the mother took her child to a doctor who weaned her off the drug over a six month period.
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