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Old 08-05-2012, 12:04 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Liberals are extremely ignorant or blind it seems.
NOT TRUE, They are BOTH.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Liberals are extremely ignorant or blind it seems.
Can you show studies or is this just something you know?
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Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?

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A libertarian (and, as such, nonpartisan) researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Political Science, has just written a paper that is set to be published in March by the journal Social Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only whether conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why that might be so. (See the top 10 political gaffes of 2009.)

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example, a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics.

Read more: Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives? - TIME
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Can you show studies or is this just something you know?
"Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives?

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A libertarian (and, as such, nonpartisan) researcher, Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Political Science, has just written a paper that is set to be published in March by the journal Social Psychology Quarterly. The paper investigates not only whether conservatives are dumber than liberals but also why that might be so. (See the top 10 political gaffes of 2009.)

The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example, a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics.


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Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives? - TIME"
If they are so smart how come they haven't figured out what they do doesn't work? How come they haven't figured out they cannot run other peoples lives better than the individual can run their own life?
All of these years with so many different leaders and it still isn't working. It's always about policy.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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The CNBC story is even more telling.

Economy Creates 163,000 New Jobs but Rate Rises to 8.3% - US Business News - CNBC



That is simply sad.
"Despite the seemingly good news, the report's household showed that the actual amount of Americans working dropped by 195,000, with the net job gain resulting primarily from seasonal adjustments in the establishment survey."

Yes, that is very sad and it's a long term trend that will ruin this country. Today, only 45% of Americans are working and that's the lowest percent in 30 years.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If they are so smart how come they haven't figured out what they do doesn't work? How come they haven't figured out they cannot run other peoples lives better than the individual can run their own life?
All of these years with so many different leaders and it still isn't working. It's always about policy.
Ah, you are proving my point more than you know, as you clearly believe in myths.

Liberals do not believe in 'run{ing} other peoples lives better than the individual can run their own life' but we don't believe that the marketplace is the answer to all life's problems. There are historical market failures and externalities, where the cost of an action isn't ordinarily borne by the group taking that action. An example of that is pollution -- it's far cheaper for the company to dump industrial waste into the public waters, where it then becomes a cost to the public at large, instead of spending large sums of money on anti-pollution devices. That's a market failure and it's absolutely legitimate for government to intervene. But then we have right-wingers yelling, "job-killing regulations."

A corporation's job is to maximize profit. The government's job is to form the rules of the road that limit what actions corporations can legitimately engage. Otherwise, if government had no rules at all, company 'A' would assassinate the president of competing company 'B.' Obviously, that's a gross example but is on point. Corporations left to their own desire for profits would sacrifice public safety and morality to earn higher profits.

As for another example of 'other people trying to run an individual's life,' we only need to look at the people who want to deny an individual woman her right to an abortion and birth control. Hint: it isn't the liberals.

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Old 08-05-2012, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Ah, you are proving my point more than you know, as you clearly believe in myths.

Liberals do not believe in 'run{ing} other peoples lives better than the individual can run their own life' but we don't believe that the marketplace is the answer to all life's problems. There are historical marker failures and externalities, where the cost of an action isn't ordinarily borne by the group taking that action. An example of that is pollution -- it's far cheaper for the company to dump industrial waste into the public waters, where it then becomes a cost to the public at large, instead of spending large sums of money on anti-pollution devices. That's a market failure and it's absolutely legitimate for government to intervene.
You don't want to run peoples lives EXCEPT... . I do believe democrats follow or allow personal liberties more than the republicans. Easier for me to use parties instead of the conservative/liberal labels.
There are examples of pollution being stopped before the EPA came about. Lawsuits cover that when you or your property is damaged. Think how much easier it is nowadays with the technology available to tell us the different levels and kinds of pollution.
The problem is you get the over reaching, inefficient arm of the Federal government instead of allowing individual states to decide. Unpasteurized milk kills you know. We need to throw those people behind bars and take their property.

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A corporation's job is to maximize profit. The government's job is to form the rules of the road that limit what actions corporations can legitimately engage. Otherwise, if government had no rules at all, company 'A' would assassinate the president of competing company 'B.' Obviously, that's a gross example but is on point. Corporations left to their own desire for profits would sacrifice public safety and morality to earn higher profits.
Governments job is to enforce contracts. Your example about assassination is a violation of property rights. I'll say right back to you, "Ah, you are proving my point more than you know,".
Our foundation was based on property rights.
It's a shame the discussion isn't about if local officials had the authority and the feds, for the most part, are out of it.

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As for another example of 'other people trying to run an individual's life,' we only need to look at the people who want to deny an individual woman her right to an abortion and birth control. Hint: it isn't the liberals.
Without the right to life the other rights are meaningless. No one has the right to take anothers life unless their life is in danger. Your life is your property. No one owns your life but you. Property rights again.
I'll leave it to another thread for others to discuss when life begins.

As for another example of 'other people trying to run an individual's life,' is our occupation of the Middle East. Can't blame that on one party can we?
To be clear the repubs are just as guilty when it comes to running others lives. They just have a different way of doing it. They smell just as bad, the only difference is which way the wind is blowing.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Not bad. I thought the estimate was only +80K. The percentage is somewhat meaningless.
Wait until the government "revises" the figures. They always drop when obamabots think no one will notice.
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Maybe it is meaningful to you, but it is meaningless to me, because it is affected by people going into, and coming out of long term unemploytment.
And those people are "meaningless" to you? How compassionate!
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Of course they're "fudging it", they've been "fudging it" since, what is it, 1946 or something.
And of course since the dems are currently doing it this makes it okay, right?
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Yep, 29, or is it 30, straight months of job growth is awful news.
Forty months of 8+% unemployment rate is great news?
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