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Old 10-22-2012, 12:20 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Since children raised in Foster Homes and Orphanages are statistically more likely to end up as Criminals then children raised in stable - even one parents homes AND that would mean less children on the Government doles, why not? In the long run it saves money.

Remember, less government spending is the real goal that we all want!

Not if interfers with some people forcing their beliefs down your throats regarding who can have children, when they can have them or how many

 
Old 10-22-2012, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The difference between a civil union and a marriage is simple. A marriage is a religious custome that really has no legal bearing in a court of law without a marriage license. A civil union has all of the rights and priviledges that two people who are joined both financially and emotionally.
You might want to check your facts.
A marriage is the only federally recognized union of two consenting adults. There is no civil union in the US that is equal to a marriage legally. There are even states that do not allow civil unions for same sex couples, North Carolina recently passed a state amendment that makes marriage the only recognized legal union. Even hetero couples can not have a civil union there.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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Tis you that is demanding preference or precedence. In CA we have voted against same sex marriage twice. If you cared to show any respect for the rule of law and the will of the majority, you would accept that and go on about your business. But that won't happen, because you will push and push until you get your way. That only creates resentment, not acceptance.
Ha. You just want gays to disappear. It's not going to happen.

Dramatic changes are happening on this issue. As the older generations die off, we're entering a whole new world.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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Ha. You just want gays to disappear. It's not going to happen.

Dramatic changes are happening on this issue. As the older generations die off, we're entering a whole new world.
If ssm is the whole new world you're talking about, it'll only happen through the courts.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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The difference between a civil union and a marriage is simple. A marriage is a religious custome that really has no legal bearing in a court of law without a marriage license. A civil union has all of the rights and priviledges that two people who are joined both financially and emotionally.
Right. So my atheist brother and his atheist wife who had a non-religious wedding ceremony are not married? Guess neither of my marriages were really marriages either - a judge and a justice of peace. Dang, I was really sure all of us were married! Oh wait, those signed marriage licenses all look authentic to me and our governments seem to think they are authentic. And no mention of any kind of god in any of these ceremonies

You lose.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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Scotland is about to make gay marriage legal (instead of simply civil partnerships). The Catholic church is making a fuss, but that's just tough. There are laws prohibiting discrimination against gays in any way.
 
Old 10-22-2012, 06:53 AM
 
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If ssm is the whole new world you're talking about, it'll only happen through the courts.
That may happen as well. However, the demographics are not on the side of those opposed to SSM. The strongest opposition comes very heavily from older folks who have viewed homosexuality as patently bad and immoral their entire lives. Their parents taught them that when they were young, and teachers and others in authority reinforced it to the point that it stuck, and they are extremely unlikely to change their minds.

However, when today's 25 year olds are 65, and most of today's 65 year olds are dead, public opinion on the issue will have undergone a massive change. It's inevitable.
 
Old 10-23-2012, 12:17 AM
 
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You might want to check your facts.
A marriage is the only federally recognized union of two consenting adults. There is no civil union in the US that is equal to a marriage legally. There are even states that do not allow civil unions for same sex couples, North Carolina recently passed a state amendment that makes marriage the only recognized legal union. Even hetero couples can not have a civil union there.
If you and your mate got married at home by any religous figure, you would not have the same rights to their healthcare benefits, pension, paycheck ect without it being recongnized by a court of law. This is why I say that being married in itself is a religous ceremony and not a legal one until the courts are involved. A civil union would have to involve the court system in order for it to be valid. And as you pointed out states can either agree to make the unions legal or not.
 
Old 10-23-2012, 12:23 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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[quote=Ameriscot;26613486]Right. So my atheist brother and his atheist wife who had a non-religious wedding ceremony are not married? Guess neither of my marriages were really marriages either - a judge and a justice of peace. Dang, I was really sure all of us were married! Oh wait, those signed marriage licenses all look authentic to me and our governments seem to think they are authentic. And no mention of any kind of god in any of these ceremonies


No, that was the point. In order for a marriage to be considered to be valid it has to go through the court system. Which in a sense gives you permission to be married. A marriage is ceremonial (and since you put that way) and does not necessarily have to be religous, but the majority of them are (I forgot about the atheist).
 
Old 10-23-2012, 04:03 AM
 
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Doesn't biology teach that it is supposed to be a man and a woman? Two screws don't fit together neither do two bolts.

What long-term studies are there that demonstrate a healthy home of children raised in this environment?

Why should Americans be open to subjecting the nation's children to this experiment when very nature calls out against it?

What about the Child's rights?

There is a design to the family unit that is ordained by our Creator that is undeniable that is intended for the healthy rearing of younger generations.

The religion of humanism that is the foundational ideology of the Homosexual movement is attempting to build with only screws or only bolts. They do not have the proper building material, and the result will be collapse. How many kids will be under when it collapses.
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