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Old 10-26-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SuperSoul View Post
Hamellr,

Currently heterosexual couples are on waiting lists to adopt babies, so there isn't a shortage of mother-father parenting couples to adopt. There are also many heterosexual foster parents. In order to use the poverty of children as an argument for same-sex marriage, one must focus on the immediate narrow minded view while ignoring the effects of homosexual practices on society and healthier solutions to alleviating the suffering of children.

I personaly feel passionately about standing up for children who are being discriminated and killed based on age... abortion rates indicate the womb is one of the most dangerous places on earth. Yet you see those pushing rights based on homosexual fetishes not only denying children of a mother or father, but also encouraging and supporting the killing of thousands of children through abortion.

It is dishartening to consider how children are suffering throughout the world. However, denying a child a mother or father through giving special rights to those with homosexual fetishes, is not a healthy solution. I see other measures like supporting marriage between the union that creates ALL children to be more important.

I trust that readers will understand that when I mentioned that children thrive best with a mother and father, that it is implied that the mother and father are functional mothers and fathers. When we speak of this, all we can do is speak in generalities - that generally, mothers and fathers are better present than absent (are healthy), and generally homosexual practices prove to be harmful to individuals and to society. There are exceptions no doubt, yet laws cannot be based on exceptions, but on the common good - generally.

We must logically consider consequences of legally requiring society to honor giving out special rights based on homosexual fetishes, because it is being weighed against the natural process of heterosexuality that is not only the basis of our existence, but also has been honored by marriage for all of human history throughout the world.

It's really common sense, but for those who need "proof" - research indicates that children adopted by couples with homosexual fetishes have "a host of challenges."
http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/document ... design.pdf
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/ ... y-parents/

Research also indicates the importance of mothers and fathers...

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
http://www.narth.com/docs/needboth.html

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
http://www.jashow.org/Articles/_PDFA...s/2SI0804G.pdf

Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links With Children's Peer Competence.

Why Children Need a Mother and a Father » Bill Muehlenberg’s CultureWatch
Oh please. Do you ever read anything other than anti-gay extremist propaganda opinions and junk science?

For those who are interested in evidence on gay and lesbian parents, (and not uneducated prejudiced personal opinions) here is a review of most of the research:

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf


And from health professionals who actually know what they are talking about because they use evidence instead of parroting prejudiced ignorant nonsense:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP represents over 8,500 child and adolescent psychiatrists.)

"Current research shows that children with gay and lesbian parents do not differ from children with heterosexual parents in their emotional development or in their relationships with peers and adults. It is important for parents to understand that it is the quality of the parent/child relationship and not the parent’s sexual orientation that has an effect on a child’s development. Research has shown that in contrast to common beliefs, children of lesbian, gay, or transgender parents:
  • Are not more likely to be gay than children with heterosexual parents.
  • Are not more likely to be sexually abused.
  • Do not show differences in whether they think of themselves as male or female (gender identity).
  • Do not show differences in their male and female behaviors (gender role behavior)."

American Academy of Pediatrics: (represents over 60,000 Pediatricians)
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."


American Psychological Association - Amicus Briefs on Gay and Lesbian Parenting.(The APA represents over 137,000 Psychologists)
"Overall, the belief that children of lesbian and gayparents suffer deficits in personal development has no empirical foundation.
.....

The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003)."
From The Journal of Marriage and Family Volume 72, Issue 1, pages 3–22, February 2010
How Does the Gender of Parents Matter? - Biblarz - 2010 - Journal of Marriage and Family - Wiley Online Library
The entrenched conviction that children need both a mother and a father inflames culture wars over single motherhood, divorce, gay marriage, and gay parenting. Research to date, however, does not support this claim. Contrary to popular belief, studies have not shown that "compared to all other family forms, families headed by married, biological parents are best for children" (Popenoe, quoted in Center for Marriage and Family, p. 1).
Research has not identified any gender-exclusive parenting abilities (with the partial exception of lactation). Our analysis confirms an emerging consensus among prominent researchers of fathering and child development. The third edition of Lamb's (1997) authoritative anthology directly reversed the inaugural volume's premise when it concluded that "very little about the gender of the parent seems to be distinctly important" (p. 10). Likewise, in Fath-erneed, Pruett (2000), a prominent advocate of involved fathering, confided, "I also now realize that most of the enduring parental skills are probably, in the end, not dependent on gender" (p. 18).

 
Old 10-26-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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I absolutely love your posts, as they are truth and reason in a brainwashed and PC controlled culture where both are painfully sparse.

Unfortunately, I can't rep you again.
You think far right religious propaganda and junk science is 'truth and reason'?
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:00 AM
 
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DentalFloss,
Please provide a credible resource from which you got your claim that defies reality reflected by voting patterns.
Please provide a 'credible resource' for any of your claims.
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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How many times have you been told that, unless you are a homosexual yourself, same-sex "marriage" cannot possibly affect you?

The next time someone says this to you, show him this document: What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts". The fact is that same-sex "marriage" has completely transformed the state, imposed itself on every institution, and impacted absolutely everyone in some way. This document spells it all out. The homosexual agenda is totalitarian to the core. The goal is not really marriage, but the normalization of homosexuality throughout society.

The most shocking thing on the list?

"Adoption agencies have said that 40% of their adoptions are to homosexual couples."

Kyrie eleison.
So wealthy gays with lots of disposable income..can hire the best and most influential lawyers...Go into a family court and get themselves a child...The child of some disadvantaged poor family.


If the gay crowd are so kind and seek justice- Let them set up a fund that assists poor families - so their kids do not go into state care...where gay couples with a few bucks can go shopping for a child they can not naturally have. If you can not have a child through your own body...it seems if you are gay there are three ways to get one....Through expensive scientific method or through surrogacy....or lastly- you can buy one if you have the cash for the right lawyer who can cut the deal on your behalf.

Adoption rates by gays and lesbians is up- NOT because they are the best suited parents- but because they have more money than most... This is the indirect selling of children.


Of course from a material point of view a judge or adoption agent will say..."They are kind and loving people in a committed relationship and they can provide a better life cos' the have more MONEY.
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
Oh please. Do you ever read anything other than anti-gay extremist propaganda opinions and junk science?

For those who are interested in evidence on gay and lesbian parents, (and not uneducated prejudiced personal opinions) here is a review of most of the research:

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf


And from health professionals who actually know what they are talking about because they use evidence instead of parroting prejudiced ignorant nonsense:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP represents over 8,500 child and adolescent psychiatrists.)

"Current research shows that children with gay and lesbian parents do not differ from children with heterosexual parents in their emotional development or in their relationships with peers and adults. It is important for parents to understand that it is the quality of the parent/child relationship and not the parent’s sexual orientation that has an effect on a child’s development. Research has shown that in contrast to common beliefs, children of lesbian, gay, or transgender parents:
  • Are not more likely to be gay than children with heterosexual parents.
  • Are not more likely to be sexually abused.
  • Do not show differences in whether they think of themselves as male or female (gender identity).
  • Do not show differences in their male and female behaviors (gender role behavior)."

American Academy of Pediatrics: (represents over 60,000 Pediatricians)
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."


American Psychological Association - Amicus Briefs on Gay and Lesbian Parenting.(The APA represents over 137,000 Psychologists)
"Overall, the belief that children of lesbian and gayparents suffer deficits in personal development has no empirical foundation.
.....

The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003)."
From The Journal of Marriage and Family Volume 72, Issue 1, pages 3–22, February 2010
How Does the Gender of Parents Matter? - Biblarz - 2010 - Journal of Marriage and Family - Wiley Online Library
The entrenched conviction that children need both a mother and a father inflames culture wars over single motherhood, divorce, gay marriage, and gay parenting. Research to date, however, does not support this claim. Contrary to popular belief, studies have not shown that "compared to all other family forms, families headed by married, biological parents are best for children" (Popenoe, quoted in Center for Marriage and Family, p. 1).
Research has not identified any gender-exclusive parenting abilities (with the partial exception of lactation). Our analysis confirms an emerging consensus among prominent researchers of fathering and child development. The third edition of Lamb's (1997) authoritative anthology directly reversed the inaugural volume's premise when it concluded that "very little about the gender of the parent seems to be distinctly important" (p. 10). Likewise, in Fath-erneed, Pruett (2000), a prominent advocate of involved fathering, confided, "I also now realize that most of the enduring parental skills are probably, in the end, not dependent on gender" (p. 18).

Aaaah jeez; another wonderfully bigoted and small-minded thread goes off the rails by the timely administration of a dose of reason and science.

You're no fun at all.
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by SuperSoul View Post
Pch,
You seem to not understand basic logic, try harder.

Those who regularly engage in oral sex, anal sex or masterbation are not demanding society to be legally required to honor them based on their sexual fetishes like those with homosexual fetishes are. Thus, the comparison is illogical.
Your obsession with posting about homosexual sex appears to have turned into a disturbing fetish.

Or perhaps you've been reading this:


How To Write An Anti-Gay Tract In 15 Easy Steps


Step 2: Talk about sex. A lot. Most general-topic anti-gay tracts begin with a detailed description of sexual practices. There’s a good reason for that: no one looks good when their entire life is reduced to one-dimensional statistical descriptions of sexual practices.

Talking about sex can be rather gross, but don’t let that stop you. In fact, that’s the whole point. You want your audience to share your revulsion of gays and lesbians, and this is the easiest way to do it. Talk about sex as though it were the only thing that matters to gays and lesbians. Not love, not relationships, not commitment, not families – just sex.
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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So wealthy gays with lots of disposable income..can hire the best and most influential lawyers...Go into a family court and get themselves a child...The child of some disadvantaged poor family.


If the gay crowd are so kind and seek justice- Let them set up a fund that assists poor families - so their kids do not go into state care...where gay couples with a few bucks can go shopping for a child they can not naturally have. If you can not have a child through your own body...it seems if you are gay there are three ways to get one....Through expensive scientific method or through surrogacy....or lastly- you can buy one if you have the cash for the right lawyer who can cut the deal on your behalf.

Adoption rates by gays and lesbians is up- NOT because they are the best suited parents- but because they have more money than most... This is the indirect selling of children.


Of course from a material point of view a judge or adoption agent will say..."They are kind and loving people in a committed relationship and they can provide a better life cos' the have more MONEY.
Aaah I see; Gays are wealthier. There are no wealthy Heterosexual couples "buying children" as you so eloquently put it. Judges or courts will automaticly defer to wealth over recommendations of agencies who've done the investigation.

Perhaps your last sentance more accurately sums it up without the negative spin you added?

No conclusions being jumped to here.
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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The world as we know it is under siege to a viscous dimented criminal issue with respects to children and sex

as such...

I'm not sure if society would be comfortable with a line-up of hetro guys who live together at city hall, applying to adapt 10 yr old girls....

Therefore

since we know the homosexual focus is exasperatedly impatient and fixated on sensuality, by repeated evidence in parades in the middle of the day doing unmentionables(factually reported)... how in the world can society be comfortable with gay people lining up at city hall making out application to order a child ?

With respects to the OP figure of 40%...society would be fair and reasonable on demand for an answer to this question in the offered, relative perspective together with statistics very available , amidst this known global wide criminal problem.
How To Write An Anti-Gay Tract In 15 Easy Steps

Step 13: Cite a threat to children. Innocent children are vulnerable to all sorts of predators. Just make sure you readers are worrying about the right ones. This is another favorite claim against disliked minorities.
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:20 AM
 
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Aaaah jeez; another wonderfully bigoted and small-minded thread goes off the rails by the timely administration of a dose of reason and science.

You're no fun at all.
Sorry about that.

But if you want something funny, read about
The Heterosexual Agenda: Exposing The Myths!

(a parody of the propaganda from anti-gay right-wing religious sources like stuporsoul's)
 
Old 10-26-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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Aaah I see; Gays are wealthier. There are no wealthy Heterosexual couples "buying children" as you so eloquently put it. Judges or courts will automaticly defer to wealth over recommendations of agencies who've done the investigation.

Perhaps your last sentance more accurately sums it up without the negative spin you added?

No conclusions being jumped to here.
It's a myth that gay people are wealthier. Some are, most aren't.
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