When does "human life" begin? (generations, global warming, borders)
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You should check out that the Pro No-Choicers, A woman's body belongs to the State believe.
They'd bring back ant-masturbation laws and menstruation tents.
All the political arguments are over "pro-choice" vs. "pro-life". After the first breath, the mother ceases to be medically necessary for life. The choice becomes, "do I take the baby home, or do I put it up for adoption", instead of "do I kill this thing or keep it alive."
Once the legal definition changes from fetus to baby, it is legally murder to kill it. The purpose of the poll is to determine when the readers of this forum consider it ethically murder to kill it. When does it go from "something not human" to "human"?
For what it's worth, the mother technically ceases to be medically necessary after the baby becomes viable outside the womb. I'm really wishing I'd added another choice, "The fetus is viable without medical assistance".
Also, I'm surprised at the number of people (so far) who've chosen the last option. In their minds, if the mother is in the throes of labor, she's still able to change her mind and abort the pregnancy. I'm not judging, just surprised.
I know what the law is, but was just thinking that this decision is rather arbitrary and in many cases self serving. So some people think if you kill the baby 1 second before birth, that's OK. But 1 second after birth, that's not OK. Strange.
But when does life begin? The extremes are: Option 1: Pre-conception (the Catholic church does not allow ANY form of birth control) and Option 13: After birth, when the baby has drawn a breath of air (the official "legal" beginning of life).
So what do YOU think? I'll ask that this thread not degenerate into a screaming match, but that's probably too much to ask.
Poll fail.
In the alternative you can ask when does death begin. The Supreme Court has answered that question rather thoughtfully. Death occurs when there is no activity --- no brain-waves -- in the cerebral cortex.
Now that we have defined death using our very own Supreme Court, and also using logic, reason and science, since the "ID" resides in the cerebral cortex and not in the medulla oblongata (which controls involuntary muscle movements and organ function like heart-beat and respiration) -- meaning all that a person is --- there personality and such (the "ID") are in the cerebral cortex. But if the cerebral cortex is dead, the so is the person.
The fetus initially does not exhibit brain-waves in the cerebral cortex -- in part because it does not exist at conception.
Logic, reason, science and law say that an embryo is not a person.
If the absence of brain-waves is death, then the presence of brain-waves is life, and the fetus begins to exhibit brain-waves in the now-developed cerebral cortex right at the end of the 1st Trimester/start of the 2nd Trimester.
Your poll doesn't reflect Supreme Court rulings, science, logic or reason, which is why it is faulty.
The obvious answer to the question When does "human life" begin? is when the fetus becomes a sentient being and is aware of its own existence -- which is about the time brain-waves appear.
It is possible to conduct non-invasive tests to determine if the fetus has brain-waves (meaning no surgery or internal probing is necessary).
Obviously, an abortion in the first 12 weeks is permissible and would be tantamount to removing a tumor, but beyond that period, when the fetus is a sentient being -- it is murder, since the definition of murder is to take life with malice aforethought, or with premeditation, or for personal profit, personal gain or personal convenience.
Rationally...
LIFE has no begining but it does have an end. The breeding male and female are alive. Every cell in their adult bodies are alive. The cells exchanged between the couple are alive- what they produce is alive.
The question that should be asked is - When is the product of reproduction conscious? Abortion supporters justify the making dead of a developing child through the idea that the child is unconscious. Which is much like killing something that is asleep and does not realize that it is being killed...Maybe the question should be- When is the child fully awake and conscious and have a memory?
I have no memory of the first few months out side the womb- I may as well have been in the womb for 14 months ...for all intent and purpose as far as pro-abortion people are only concerned about the day that marks my birth and the following months and the previous mouths. BECAUSE the have this perception that people are animals and no clear or real consciousness or thinking process...This is a dated and primitive concept. I was taught as a child by the teachers of the day that animals do not think but only react through instinct.
It was very common to drown kittens and puppies. We don't do that anymore...because we understand that animals are conscious beings...Yet we still dispose of humans as if it was 1955 and they are less than animals. Abortion in time will go the way of puppy killing...
It irks me that these same people will kill me if they could- If I was frail and old and seemingly unaware....Recently I saw thread about a guy who was putting his dog too "sleep" - The dog was old..but it could still get up and relieve it self- It could eat- and was not in pain.....YET he figured that it had reached it's expiry date...His justification for killing the dog was that the animal did not greet him at the door wagging it's tail- that it was old and "Just lay there looking at me"..
Abortion is the same mentality as the dog killer...The attitude is that it is all about me...me me me....With abortion supporters - they only think of themselves and their perceived needs...They are not just anti-other peoples lives...but anti-social in their stance on this issue. There is not start to human life...it has always been.....all death and especially induced death- be it abortion and capital punishment our out right murder is simply anti-life and the choice to kill is embraced by some and rejected by others....I personally reject death in all forms...I will resist death to the bitter end.
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