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Old 08-08-2012, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Full Time: N.NJ Part Time: S.CA, ID
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No proof needed. Just like the neo-cons don’t have to prove Obama hates America prior to saying it; I don’t either. It’s just my opinion based off observations…
Maybe you can share your observations with us, then?


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Old 08-08-2012, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No proof needed. Just like the neo-cons don’t have to prove Obama hates America prior to saying it; I don’t either. It’s just my opinion based off observations…

Shhhhhh. (whispers). Don't say it's your opinion...just say "sources" tell you...sorta like that Harry Reid and NAMBLA story. Shhhhhhhh!
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Don't feed the troll. Search Malcolm's other posts. Nothing ever has proof or backing. Just slant and hate.


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You can’t name one post of mine that expresses or infers hate and everything I say is backed up by data/experience. Progressive slant yes but hate NO! I attack positions not groups of people… I’m not one of these “ultra-conservative” bigots posting about why does black people do this or that!

Nice try though…
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Full Time: N.NJ Part Time: S.CA, ID
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You can’t name one post of mine that expresses or infers hate and everything I say is backed up by data/experience. Progressive slant yes but hate NO! I attack positions not groups of people… I’m not one of these “ultra-conservative” bigots posting about why does black people do this or that!

Nice try though…
You just made a blanket statement that most of the people on welfare are republicans.




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Old 08-08-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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I bet the number would be huge if you added all of the people the government let keep any portion of their own money.

When the tax code picks winners and losers, sometimes government redistributes money from losers to winners.

Consider a hypothetical tax system with a 20% flat tax and one tax break that allows half the taxpayers to pay 10% (and keep an additional 10% of what they earned).

Now consider the same tax revenue generated with a 15% flat tax and no tax breaks.

You think the person paying 20% tax rate and getting a tax break (effective tax rate 10%) is keeping 10% more of what he earned. I think he is getting 5% redistributed to him by government and paid by the sucker with a 20% tax rate and no tax break.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:55 PM
 
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When the tax code picks winners and losers, sometimes government redistributes money from losers to winners.

Consider a hypothetical tax system with a 20% flat tax and one tax break that allows half the taxpayers to pay 10% (and keep an additional 10% of what they earned).

Now consider the same tax revenue generated with a 15% flat tax and no tax breaks.

You think the person paying 20% tax rate and getting a tax break (effective tax rate 10%) is keeping 10% more of what he earned. I think he is getting 5% redistributed to him by government and paid by the sucker with a 20% tax rate and no tax break.
You'd be wrong.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Here's even a more detailed report on whos using it............wonder how these people on the left can support people they think are poor...........are they poor, just don't work enough or here illegally.

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children | Center for Immigration Studies
Can't discount the fact that many children born in the US of illegal parents were eligible for welfare at birth. And those children start to have babies in their early teens so they can get full blown benefits for themself and their child(ren). Governments contribution to the ongoing cradle to grave society.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:35 AM
 
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Most of the people on welfare are Republicans... It's hard to get ahead when your platform opposes higher education...
Do you have a link from a credible source to support your statement?
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Can't discount the fact that many children born in the US of illegal parents were eligible for welfare at birth. And those children start to have babies in their early teens so they can get full blown benefits for themself and their child(ren). Governments contribution to the ongoing cradle to grave society.
Anything but your opinion to back this up?
If not, say it's your OPINION.
Don't present it as some sort of fact.
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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No you dont. You pay a SS TAX, that gets submitted to the general budget to be spent. Your return is WELFARE.. If it was something you paid into, it would pass onto your estate upon your death. It clearly doesnt, you get nothing back.
That tax is deducted from an employee's paycheck to go towards a SS benefit later. I don't care what fund it goes into that is the intent of that deduction. It is not a welfare program.
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