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So you don't care about quality, health, health care or people at all, you just care about everyone having a product and you think that will solve the problem? It seems like you're just focused on the monetary aspect of it.
Where did I say I didn't care about the quality of healthcare...I am pretty sure I haven't talked about that beyond mentioning that I want an efficient healthcare system that covers everyone.
Please provide links regarding obesity rates, exercising rates, vacation rates, fresh food eating rates, and healthy lifestyle rates in Canada. Last time I was there, it seemed like almost everyone was smoking. At least, the smoking rate was higher than what one sees here in the US.
Please provide links that the smoking rate in Canada is higher and I'll provide links showing you the information you want (I'll give you a hint: I checked the statistics from each nation's respective governments, and the American rate is about 2%age points higher (as of 2010), but I'll let you discover that yourself).
My husband IS Canadian. I have seen FIRST HAND the problems with Canadian Health Care. You will never convince me in a gazillion years that their system is worth a damn. The *only* think I can say in their favor is the fact that BECAUSE it takes so long to see a doctor, many issues resolve themselves naturally, *and* that because the system so so very broken, they do not recommend a lot of unnecessary testing and treatment like doctors in the United States do.
Three older friends of my husband's family go to doctors in the United States (and they pay out of their own pocket, even though their health care is "free"), because the care they receive in Canada is sub-standard. One has a heart condition, one has diabetes and the third one has several different medical problems.
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I AM Canadian. My family IS Canadian. So I have seen and experienced FIRST HAND the health care system both in Nova Scotia AND Ontario, and now in Ohio.
I got, and my family gets, generally great care. I/they have never experienced outrageous wait times, and nobody's health has ever failed waiting for care.
Let me give you an example:
In the fall of 2007, my then 77 y/o grandmother started breaking out with hive-like blotches all over her body. She thought they were hives, so left them alone to heal on their own. When I went home for Christmas, I made her go to the doctor, who sent her to a specialist right away (appointment within a week). She was diagnosed with bulluos pemphigoid (extremely rare) and was given a regime of steroids to take to help her heal. Nevertheless, she continued to weaken, and during her next check-up (a week later), she was also diagnoses with a potassium deficiency and was admitted immediately and put on IV.
Even 5 years later, she goes in for the occasional check-up and blood work, but thankfully is doing better.
That is an example of the Canadian health care system. I have no doubt that she would have gotten the same service here in the US.
Where did I say I didn't care about the quality of healthcare...I am pretty sure I haven't talked about that beyond mentioning that I want an efficient healthcare system that covers everyone.
I didn't say you didn't care about quality, the part you bolded is part of a question, hence it wasn't a statement of fact.
The U.S. system is great providing that you can afford it. I think it is also funny how we basically subsidize Canada and other Single Payer Healthcare systems by paying full price for prescription drugs. I also like how we do have single payer health care, but you only get it when you are 65.
The U.S. system is great providing that you can afford it. I think it is also funny how we basically subsidize Canada and other Single Payer Healthcare systems by paying full price for prescription drugs. I also like how we do have single payer health care, but you only get it when you are 65.
I don't get too caught up in dissing the Canadian system but I bet if Canadians could start all over with a new system I'd bet it would be different than the one they currently have.
Of course it would. It's only by experience that systems can be fine tuned and perfected. We have callenges in our system and those challenges are constantly being overcome. WE are a progressive country and you know; progress means moving forward toward a goal. The goal here in Canada is very simple really, "towards a more just society".
My right wing argument is that we cannot afford it.
It costs about 1/5th what we're currently paying so the real question is can we afford to not do single payer especially since it is superior in every way and costs so much less. The only ones who benefit from our current corrupt system are the corrupt middle men who engage in economic rent seeking without providing any service or value.
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