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Old 08-10-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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OKay, so what about the thousands of nuclear workers that pick up more radiation then you ever will in multiple lifetimes, yet, never have an issue?
You don't need to work at a nuclear plant to be exposed to nuclear byproducts.

As to issues, they range. Many diseases can be tracked to radiation damage. Diabetes, heart damage. On and on. The list is extensive.

Your rhetorical statement about nuclear workers with no health problems has no bearing. Specifics need to be discussed. If you are trying to say exposure to ionizing radiation is non-damaging you are mistaken.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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You don't need to work at a nuclear plant to be exposed to nuclear byproducts.

As to issues, they range. Many diseases can be tracked to radiation damage. Diabetes, heart damage. On and on. The list is extensive.

Your rhetorical statement about nuclear workers with no health problems has no bearing. Specifics need to be discussed. If you are trying to say exposure to ionizing radiation is non-damaging you are mistaken.
So in other words, even though they have greater exposure, and do not deal with these issues, then what you think the thousands of them are just lucky?
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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So in other words, even though they have greater exposure, and do not deal with these issues, then what you think the thousands of them are just lucky?
I didn't say that. You are talking vapor. You need specifics.These are made up workers you are discussing.

You do not know nuclear workers receive greater exposure. The strontium 90, for example, leaks into the water. Why would a nuclear worker, who not only receives training to minimize exposure, special equipment and good health care be more at risk or even receive more exposure? Damage is not just about exposure anyway. The individuals ability to detox and repair damage is very important, as well. The age is also critical.

You are greatly simplifying an issue you obviously have not researched.
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Central, IL
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I didn't say that. You are talking vapor. You need specifics.These are made up workers you are discussing.

You do not know nuclear workers receive greater exposure. The strontium 90, for example, leaks into the water. Why would a nuclear worker, who not only receives training to minimize exposure, special equipment and good health care be more at risk or even receive more exposure? Damage is not just about exposure anyway. The individuals ability to detox and repair damage is very important, as well. The age is also critical.

You are greatly simplifying an issue you obviously have not researched.
Actually, I do know that many nuclear workers receive far greater exposure. It seems as if you do not know and therefore are relying on belief. It would probably help if you knew facts instead. And by the way, many of these people who receive high exposure are of ages from their low 20's into their 70's.

Lets take nuclear workers like the Shaw Group for example. In the past 2 months a group of 12 carpenters were working at the Clinton Power Station. They were commended for only receiving 1.2r in a 2 month period. This was because they came in at a dose saving of 128mrem for them time frame.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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Actually, I do know that many nuclear workers receive far greater exposure. It seems as if you do not know and therefore are relying on belief. It would probably help if you knew facts instead. And by the way, many of these people who receive high exposure are of ages from their low 20's into their 70's.

Lets take nuclear workers like the Shaw Group for example. In the past 2 months a group of 12 carpenters were working at the Clinton Power Station. They were commended for only receiving 1.2r in a 2 month period. This was because they came in at a dose saving of 128mrem for them time frame.
The most serious issue with nuclear byproducts is water and food contamination. This is where you receive constant re-exposure. I am not relying on belief. Clearly, I posted very specific studies and suggestive conclusions. You are lumping all "nuclear radiation" and "Nuclear" workers you claim have no health problems and comparing them to mythical "somebodies" you claim receive no exposure. For what purpose?

I asked your point. You had none to make apparently. Ionizing radiation is accepted by no-one in the scientific community as non-damaging. So even in your rhetorical generalization you seem to have no point. The younger someone is the more concerning the exposure is. An older person, past child bearing yrs is less at risk, generally. A younger person is in far more danger of developing cellular damage and passing it on genetically.

So someone in their 20's may not show the damage til much later or pass on errors to their offspring.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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FORWARD!!! Better get in line to get ya a whaling permit soon as we'll be back to whale oil in lamps when these idiots get done.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The U.S. government said it will stop issuing permits for new nuclear power plants and license extensions for existing facilities until it resolves issues around storing radioactive waste.
The government's main watchdog, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, believes that current storage plans are safe and achievable. But a federal court said that the NRC didn't detail what the environmental consequences would be if the agency is wrong.
"We are now considering all available options for resolving the waste issue," the five-member NRC said in a ruling earlier this week. "But, in recognition of our duties under the law, we will not issue [reactor] licenses until the court's remand is appropriately addressed."
There are 14 reactors awaiting license renewals at the NRC, and an additional 16 reactors awaiting permits for new construction.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/09/news/economy/nuclear-plants-waste/

I think you have the wrong links, the issue that halted the permits was nuclear waste,I know those pesky disposal issues for radioactive by products with a half-live of anywhere from 90 to 2000 years (yes 2000 Years). I am sure some states are just chomping at the bit to be the next disposal site.

Whale lamps are looking pretty good.


"ATLANTA, Georgia, Aug 9 2012 (IPS) - The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which oversees commercial nuclear power enterprises, has halted the issuance of all new nuclear reactor licensing decisions after a court ruling citing the failure of industry and government to identify an acceptable solution for the long-term storage of nuclear waste."

(IPS) Waste Issue Halts U.S. Nuclear Reactor Licensing
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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How cheap do you think that natural gas will be when everyone is using it? We sit on the big pile of coal too but it just aint green enough for some. So they destroy the industry. All for something that nobody even knows is happening or not. What happens when somebody says hey wait a second that natural gas is causing global warming too? I'm sure they will. Oh wait the fracking, which they will have to do all over to supply this new nat gas all over to replace the coal, causes earthquakes I forgot. Can't have that.
Natural gas is destroying the coal industry and defeating green alternatives, another short term solution for cheap energy.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:54 PM
 
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NO one wants to go thru the process of building nuclear plants?... wow, you must have had a dream that made you believe it was real last night. New nuclear plants and reactor buildings are being built right now.
I wouldn't call two being approved after 30 years that will power 1 million homes;the energy of the future.That would provide power for 1/6th of the city of Houston. Natural gas is the energy that the oil and gas inducrtry has made the enrgy of the future.Perhaps coal industry should have supported cleaner burn technolgy rather than fight it.

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Old 08-10-2012, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Well, since most of the new plants have no desire to use the ARC-1000 and plan on using the Westing House AP-1000 really it wouldn't matter if they prevented the ARC-1000.
LOL it is not ARC since the Iron man franchise would have that trademarket and we would get sued pretty good for usinfg the "ARC Reactor" and meaning of ACR is for Advanced Candu Reactor design.

Plus I live in the PNW and heck Hanford gives everyone a nice dose of higher levels of background Radation and so for so good just I would not swim the the Colunbia anywhere Down River from Hanford just to be safe.

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Old 08-11-2012, 01:48 AM
 
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FORWARD!!! Better get in line to get ya a whaling permit soon as we'll be back to whale oil in lamps when these idiots get done.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The U.S. government said it will stop issuing permits for new nuclear power plants and license extensions for existing facilities until it resolves issues around storing radioactive waste.
The government's main watchdog, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, believes that current storage plans are safe and achievable. But a federal court said that the NRC didn't detail what the environmental consequences would be if the agency is wrong.
"We are now considering all available options for resolving the waste issue," the five-member NRC said in a ruling earlier this week. "But, in recognition of our duties under the law, we will not issue [reactor] licenses until the court's remand is appropriately addressed."
There are 14 reactors awaiting license renewals at the NRC, and an additional 16 reactors awaiting permits for new construction.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/09/news/economy/nuclear-plants-waste/

Storing nuclear waste is a huge problem, that even the CEO of exelon corporation admitted was a big problem for the nuclear power industry.
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