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Old 08-12-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Praying in school has been found to be unconstitutional.
Your statement is false.
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Old 08-12-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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Good for Missouri.
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Old 08-12-2012, 10:11 PM
 
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Praying in school has been found to be unconstitutional.
No, it has not.

How to have prayers in public schools -- legally

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The principle of separation of church and state affects all government functions, including public schools. In 1948, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that religious instruction in public school was unconstitutional. In 1963, it ruled that mandatory reading of Bible verses or prayers are similarly unconstitutional. However, the same First Amendment guarantees that students may engage in many forms of non-disruptive personal religious expression, including the wearing of religious clothing and jewelry. They can pray (individually or in student-led groups) on the school bus, at the flagpole, before lunch, in the corridors, in the classroom before and after lessons, at sports events, etc. They can talk freely about religion to other students outside of class. They can distribute religious literature. If there are any student-led clubs in the school, they have the right to organize student-led Bible prayer clubs. Teachers are not allowed to teach any religion as truth. However, they can teach about religion, as long as they meet certain requirements. Finally, public schools cannot require students to recite prayers from a specific religion each morning.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:39 AM
 
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This is a First Amendment issue.
No, actually it's a holier-than thou issue. You think public prayer in school should be allowed, as you claim to be "Christian". Despite the fact that the Bible tells you praying in public is wrong.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:41 AM
 
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If you mean do I support Muslim's freedom to pray in public schools - then the answer is, yes.
What about Satanists? Wiccans, Witches??
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:41 AM
 
Location: California
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No, actually it's a holier-than thou issue. You think public prayer in school should be allowed, as you claim to be "Christian". Despite the fact that the Bible tells you praying in public is wrong.
Yeah, what's up with that? I have NEVER seen anyone defend that. Any christians want to give it a go?

Even the story of the teacher and "jesus loves me" won't be effected by this law. What the teacher didn't know the teacher still won't know. Can't legislate the ignorance out of people.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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‘Right to pray’ wins easily in Missouri - KansasCity.com

This is a cause for celebration. The people of Missouri have affirmed that the First Amendment's free exercise clause is important and valid - and has provided legal protection against attacks on any Missourian who wishes to pray in school or in public. I think it is time that such amendments are sought in all state constitutions so that religious liberty continues to be upheld in the republic.
My only problem with this is that a teacher really can't teach like this. Yes, it does effect teachers and our education system.

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• Says students need not take part in assignments or presentations that violate their religious beliefs.
Scenario:

A Science teacher give a test on evolution or biology.
A student answers all the questions except a few because it goes against their beliefs or they answer the question based on the religious beliefs.
The teacher can't dock them for not answering the question or for answering the question based on their beliefs.
The teacher has to dock students who answer wrong or don't answer the question.
If the teacher docks a student that answered or didn't answer based on religious beliefs, the teacher can be fired or sued.
This isn't equal education. It effects the outcome of every student as it doesn't base education on facts, but on beliefs.

Say a History teacher who is teaching about the Greeks or Romans asked their class to give a report on myths of the Ancient Greeks. All a student has to do is say it violates my religious beliefs and the teacher can't give the student a failing grade on that project, but still has to include the grade in every other students overall grade.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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That's cool, but at the same time it seems purely political, because praying was never against the law to begin with.
Sure .. Paraying wasn't against the law .. but praying wherever and whenever you wanted was ..
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:01 AM
 
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So an unneeded and unnecessary amendment for something that isn't a problem just to make people feel good. Yay.
I guess their faux 'persecution complex' needed soothing down?
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:10 AM
 
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If you took two minutes to research why this unnecessary, divisive amendment passed you'd find out that:

1) This was a Republican primary election to decide the Republican challenger to Sen. McCaskill (D).
2) The Missouri legislature is overwhelmingly Republican.
3) The Missouri legislature needed an issue to bring out the conservative base.

Voila, the manufactured "religious freedom" non-issue.

That's all. And, of course, the gullible, low information hayseeds of Missouri fell for it, hook, line and sinker.

I live in St. Louis, Missouri (Misery)
Thanks for that. Just politics...
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