Poll: Do you support Voter ID Laws? (statistics, illegals, Pennsylvania)
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I support them as long as the states that have them on the books also have no cost ID's available to their citizens. Which so far, every state that has these laws or is trying to implement these laws do have no cost ID's.
uhm
there is NO SUCH THING as no cost id
the plastic id costs money
the TECH to run it and issue it doesnt work for free
there is ALWAYS a cost..be it to the indiviuual(5/10/15/20 dollars) or to the taxpayer
at least when its a bill to the individaul you can justify the cost...if we do it to the taxpayer the costs triples and the taxpayer get scammed
the plastic id costs money
the TECH to run it and issue it doesnt work for free
there is ALWAYS a cost..be it to the indiviuual(5/10/15/20 dollars) or to the taxpayer
at least when its a bill to the individaul you can justify the cost...if we do it to the taxpayer the costs triples and the taxpayer get scammed
Ok, let me rephrase that then. No cost to the individual person receiving the id. This particular issue I think is worthy of taxpayers footing the bill for those who qualify (and there should be stringent qualifications) to get a "no cost" id. Of course, this should also be up to each individual state and not a national thing. In which case you could have a state like (i believe) OR which doesn't charge anything for an id if you qualify, and WA which charges a bare minimum of something like $3 for the id. Which, again, I'd be totally ok with.
I'm willing to compromise and pay for as a tax payer, for these id's to make sure that our elections were being voted on by legal citizens! And in my state, if they had this up for a vote, I would vote for it!
But you're point is valid, there is no such thing as free... someone, somewhere has to pay for it!
This is just in MN and just for the 2008 election!! Voter fraud does happen, does change the outcome of elections, and is a problem. Even if it only happened once or twice, it is a problem that can easily be remedied with ID's!
A new nationwide analysis of more than 2,000 cases of alleged election fraud over the past dozen years shows that in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which has prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tougher voter ID laws, was virtually nonexistent.
The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters.
Voter ID laws are designed to stop voter impersonation - a specific type of voter fraud - at the voting poll. Over the last 12 years, in the 2,068 reported voter fraud cases, there were only 10 instances of alleged voter impersonation. In all the elections we've had in the last dozen years, and the millions of votes cast, only 10 instances of alleged voter impersonation.
A voter ID law is a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
And 37 state legislatures have spent time and money debating this and in many cases passing legislation on this non-problem. Talk about a waste of tax-payer money!
Ok, let me rephrase that then. No cost to the individual person receiving the id. This particular issue I think is worthy of taxpayers footing the bill for those who qualify (and there should be stringent qualifications) to get a "no cost" id. Of course, this should also be up to each individual state and not a national thing. In which case you could have a state like (i believe) OR which doesn't charge anything for an id if you qualify, and WA which charges a bare minimum of something like $3 for the id. Which, again, I'd be totally ok with.
I'm willing to compromise and pay for as a tax payer, for these id's to make sure that our elections were being voted on by legal citizens! And in my state, if they had this up for a vote, I would vote for it!
But you're point is valid, there is no such thing as free... someone, somewhere has to pay for it!
So does this mean you support the general public picking up the cost of a pistol permit?
the plastic id costs money
the TECH to run it and issue it doesnt work for free
there is ALWAYS a cost..be it to the indiviuual(5/10/15/20 dollars) or to the taxpayer
at least when its a bill to the individaul you can justify the cost...if we do it to the taxpayer the costs triples and the taxpayer get scammed
I guess the State of Kansas must not agree with your thinking. They allow non-drivers to go to the DOT testing offices and procure free IDs since the state has required them to vote. This is a thing that allows this law to exist since courts have always allowed those IDs that didn't cost the voter any money. Hey, even old people who don't drive anymore can vote in Kansas and only have to pay for the trip to the License office.
I think a NATIONAL photo Common acces card (CaC) issued to EVERYONE over 16 is the way to go
you have your CAC and your PIN to go with it
and its read with a reader like this...you can use it to secure emails too
and many of you already have a simular chip in your possesion
the smart card chip looks like these:
and can be found in these:
and EVERYONE of you with a cell phone has one too:
It is that national ID card that most people don't like. I am one that doesn't want those things but sure don't mind what my state has done about voting.
Voter ID laws are designed to stop voter impersonation - a specific type of voter fraud - at the voting poll. Over the last 12 years, in the 2,068 reported voter fraud cases, there were only 10 instances of alleged voter impersonation. In all the elections we've had in the last dozen years, and the millions of votes cast, only 10 instances of alleged voter impersonation.
A voter ID law is a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist.
And 37 state legislatures have spent time and money debating this and in many cases passing legislation on this non-problem. Talk about a waste of tax-payer money!
Gene, this may be a non-problem to people who don't mind, or even like Obamacare, but those of us who know how Al Franken voted on the (law??) realize how he got there to provide the 60th vote to overcome the threat of filibuster. I wonder if we will survive up to five years of that law if it ever takes effect.
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