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I assume you only limit your view of welfare. Hell, why not everyone that works for the government, or has contracts with the government. If you can vote yourself policies that enable your business to profit directly based off of government influence, isn't that the same as being on the dole?
That is correct, but it's only a natural outcome of the situation. It doesn't negate my reasoning on why those people shouldn't vote though.
Every time i look, some RWNJ is concocting some nonsense about restricting someone's vote. No one is going to lose their voting rights, so why don't you guys just move on? I know you guys want to bring back the poll tax and literacy tests...proof of your dreaming about the good ol days, but it ain't happening.
If you want to go that route, then let's go a step further. Anyone getting a single federal dollar in direct welfare or ANY sort of subsidy can't vote. That means farmers, defense contractors, oil industry, tech industry, universities, etc, etc...
Great. What a fantastic idea to create a group of people who will have absolutely no say over what happens to them and who are completely at the mercy of others. That, surely, won't lead to exploitation and atrocities. It's never happened in history, either - so there is no chance in the world that we would have had a chance to learn from the past.
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Religious fundamentalists should not be allowed to vote. By their own words, they adhere to beliefs based on faith rather than critical thinking, and are willing to legislate these religious beliefs on others. They are also statistically less intelligent than the general populace.
Whether or not your argument is valid, it's basically a "group X exhibits subjectively negative qualities and thus should not have a voice".
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As long as a person is a citizen of the United States, they should be allowed to vote. IMHO that includes felons.
No one knows what situation befell the welfare recipients in order for them to collect. Do you really want to disenfranchise the widowed mother who's husband dropped dead and left no insurance? Situations like this can devastate a family. Because of this she should not be allowed to vote? I don't think so, Scooter!
Not being able to vote is not a life or death situation. I am actually more in favor of letting the felons vote than to let welfare recipients vote. For example, a felon who is incarcerated for marijuana possession can use his vote to petition against the useless War on Drugs. So this would in fact be the felon trying to get out from the position of wasting taxpayer dollars on him. A welfare recipient would likely vote for more welfare. Stop taking in taxpayer money and then vote away to glory.
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I assume you only limit your view of welfare. Hell, why not everyone that works for the government, or has contracts with the government. If you can vote yourself policies that enable your business to profit directly based off of government influence, isn't that the same as being on the dole?
That's a valid point. People who work for the government would vote to keep or expand government. But at least they are doing work in return.
Does that include defense contractors and the oil industry?
No, never. Hell, leave it up to conservatives, they'd double or triple the defense budget. We can't print enough money in their eyes for the war machine.
Does that include defense contractors and the oil industry?
This is a common strawman argument I hear - that people who get tax cuts are getting welfare. No. Tax cuts merely means that they are keeping more of their OWN money. They have the right to keep ALL of their own money. At the same time, the government should NOT be bailing them out if they screw up either. If they are actually getting other people's money, then they should not be allowed to vote, but that is not the case here.
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No, never. Hell, leave it up to conservatives, they'd double or triple the defense budget. We can't print enough money in their eyes for the war machine.
I am anti-war actually. On these boards I have criticized the US foreign policy much more than any member here.
I love how Republicans want to pick and choose the part of the Constitution they want to support.
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