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View Poll Results: Should seatbelt laws exist?
Yes 190 62.91%
No 104 34.44%
Unsure 8 2.65%
Voters: 302. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-19-2012, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yes, but saving lives at the cost of freedom? Don't you think it's a sad reflection on our society when common sense has to be forced on people?
Yes it is a sad statement that people do not protect themselves and their families over something so minor....There is no loss of freedom as far as I'm concerned...It's no big deal wearing a seat belt, not anymore than it is on an airplane, would you protest belts on aircraft ? How about those idiots that ride a motorcycle with no helmet, or drive a boat with no floatation vests on board...If you have kids, think of how they would make out if neglecting these safety devices cost you your life....Would they be okay without you?

 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
It's none of the states business what I do inside my car.
Most cops I see running around don't wear them either, more do as I say and not as I do crap as if we are children to be schooled by all knowing berueacrats.
I also see officers on their cell phones all the time. Talking, texting.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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It doesn't make you any more likely to cause an accident. It does make you far more likely to end up a mangled heap of broken bones. When the paramedics arrive they don't check your wallet for an insurance card - they treat and transport. After you're stabilized they don't decide to just let you die because you made a decision of personal liberty.

The insurance becomes an issue when the other policy holders share the cost for your personal liberty. It's actually you imposing on your fellow citizens.

I'm all for letting dumba@@es die on the side of the road, but I'm in the minority.
Of course, it all comes down to money.


Capitalism at its best. The sad part is the insurance companies are fu**ing us.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: USA
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The crash victim imposes absolutely nothing. You're saying that if I live risky and for example go rock climbing and due to lack of experience or preparedness or whatever I fall and go into a coma then its MY fault that people's insurances rise because I was unable to pay my healthcare cost. I obviously wasn't in a condition to give my consent for medical care nor was able to ask for it, the hospital is taking a financial risk by bringing me in and if I don't pay up then thats their own darn fault. In this society it won't fly but in a free world the hospital wouldn't be forced to take the severely injured person in if they knew it wasn't worth it, any help and assistance would be voluntary and they would just have to accept the possible monetary consequences of THEIR decision to work on you. If the hospital decides they won't accept their loss of profit from the injured and in turn raises insurance costs then nobody is forcing you to keep your insurance. You could get different insurance or none at all(if everybody dropped their insurance by the way health care costs would plummet). Anything to the contrary of this is basically preaching a form of socialism.



We share that view at least.
I guess we should start outlawing all things that are risky. Motorcycles should be 1st. Guns. Those are super risky. Rock climbing. Sky diving.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:21 PM
 
Location: TX
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It's none of the states business what I do inside my car.
Ah, but where do you go if you get into an accident and you're not wearing your seat belt? Out on the highway, which was property of the state last time I checked. Basically these laws are allowing you the right to splatter inside your car, but denying you the right to splatter on their streets. You might as well fight for the right to throw rocks at people from inside your home, because "It's none of the city's business what I do inside my house!"
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I'm starting this thread after a lengthy conversation with a police officer today. How do you posters feel about seatbelt laws? Personally, I feel like it gives officers too much authority. Nobody will be harmed, but yourself for not wearing a seatbelt. Shouldn't there be public awareness campaigns rather than law enforcement of the issue?
What federal seatbelt laws, other then requiring cars have them, are there?
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:26 PM
 
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Of course, it all comes down to money.


Capitalism at its best. The sad part is the insurance companies are fu**ing us.
Actually it isn't capitalism.(Maybe crony capaitalism)Making a profit off of insurance would be fine if it was going back to the people who were paying the premiums.

Govt makes a killing off the insurance industry. They own a great deal of them and the rest they regulate and get their cut.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I guess we should start outlawing all things that are risky. Motorcycles should be 1st. Guns. Those are super risky. Rock climbing. Sky diving.
Dude, just pay your ticket and get over it. You were caught not wearing a seat belt, big deal, it isn't like you are gonna start wearing it anyway.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Not in KY. I was pulled over for simply not wearing a seat belt. The cop who was going in the opposite direction busted a U-turn and raced to come pull me over and give me a seat belt ticket.
The cop would have to be staring pretty hard to see that.
 
Old 08-19-2012, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I'm sorry but your not going to scare me into wearing a seatbelt. Just like your not going to scare smokers into not smoking. Or scare motorcyclist into not riding a bike.

If I'm traveling at a high rate of speed in dangerous situations, I wear a seatbelt. If I'm cruising around town at low rates of speed in safe conditions, I don't wear a seatbelt. I know the risk.

I think you need to look at the stats of highway vs city roads serious injuries and deaths and how they relate.

If you are moving at more than a few miles an hour you can be killed in any accident.
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