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Old 08-19-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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Exactly - which means that they are barred from getting help if they want it.

Only someone who thinks that homosexuality is normal would support this bill.

Government should stay out of health care decisions.
True.

The government is being infilitrated by homosexual fanatics similar to how some forum threads are.

Homosexual fanatics seem hell-bent on perverting everyone - demanding everyone believe as they do.


In their fanaticism, they ignore common sense facts:

-That we each are living proof that heterosexuality is normal & homosexuality is not.

-That statistically, homosexuality proves to be death or sickness (both mentally & physically)

-That even in 2 healthy males, anal sex involves risks of anal fissures, bacterial infection, colon rupture & anal cancer.

-That children need a mother & father to exist & to thrive best in growing & developing.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Most people put "gay to straight" therapy in the same category as exorcisms. There you go.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:32 PM
 
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True.

The government is being infilitrated by homosexual fanatics similar to how some forum threads are.

Homosexual fanatics seem hell-bent on perverting everyone - demanding everyone believe as they do.
Ridiculous scare tactics. This isn't the 1970s anymore, though. It's not going to work on the majority anymore.


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In their fanaticism, they ignore common sense facts:

-That we each are living proof that heterosexuality is normal & homosexuality is not.
What? Our existence doesn't prove that any type of sex is normal or not. Oral sex doesn't produce babies. Should we consider oral sex to be deviant or abnormal behavior?

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-That statistically, homosexuality proves to be death or sickness (both mentally & physically)
Cite your sources.

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-That even in 2 healthy males, anal sex involves risks of anal fissures, bacterial infection, colon rupture & anal cancer.
Having homosexual sex does not require anal sex. Homosexual women certainly don't have much anal sex, and for homosexual men, oral sex is usually the main course.

And heterosexuals have anal sex too, so I'm not sure what your even trying to prove.

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-That children need a mother & father to exist & to thrive best in growing & developing.
That may be your opinion, but the studies do not bear it out. Even if it were true, how would it be an argument against two consenting adults having a private, same-sex relationship?
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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Here you go, now you're being persecuted....Bullcrap I'm speaking up about a law that goes against free speech....It actually takes parents rights away...Talk about Nazism!!...

But then again, Hitler and his crew it seems to have been homosexuals themselves, as is shown by studies and interviews with those that new them...And how about those perfect boys from the SS?

Try again....!
If you don't like the law and you live in California, you're free to work toward repealing it. Do you even live in California? If not, then you have absolutely no power over this law.

Your rants about homosexuals prove that it's not the law you have a problem with - it's homosexuals.

Maybe you should become a Muslim and move to Iraq. Their culture might be more in line with your views.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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True.

The government is being infilitrated by homosexual fanatics similar to how some forum threads are.

Homosexual fanatics seem hell-bent on perverting everyone - demanding everyone believe as they do.


In their fanaticism, they ignore common sense facts:

-That we each are living proof that heterosexuality is normal & homosexuality is not.

-That statistically, homosexuality proves to be death or sickness (both mentally & physically)

-That even in 2 healthy males, anal sex involves risks of anal fissures, bacterial infection, colon rupture & anal cancer.

-That children need a mother & father to exist & to thrive best in growing & developing.
Homophobic is a sickness, which it seems you might have. Actually I find it interesting that you seem to be more focused on male homosexuality over female homosexuality, which leads me to think you are either more threatened by gay males or you have some deep seeded confusion within you....either way, that is actually a sickness.

Being gay, not a sickness.
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:51 AM
 
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It seems that the arguments here for acceptance of homosexuality as "normal" are the usual nonsense.

This response is a good example. It shows the doubts within it's own wording.

Honestly - what is the deviation from the "sterotypical "norm", as you call it?

Would it be two guys standing in front of a mirror, dropping their pants, looking at themselves and thinking that they make a natural couple?

Again, the studies and articles referred to here are all subjective....not objective.

Take a good look at those that are doing many of these studies...what level of the mental health profession do they represent?....How much of the mental health community do they represent?...What are their political and sexual positions?

No matter how you spin it, children are impressionable and easily made insecure about themselves....It does not take much to plant a seed of doubt about themselves. And it seems that this bill does not protect them against their teachers and homosexuals themselves. Only preventing discussion with their own parents, guardians or mental health care professionals.

It prevents all mental health care professionals from working with them....not just the religious oriented. Why is that?

As I mentioned, this bill is a double edged sword....the left leaning and cowardly media does not seem to be making this an important item...they are burying it.

I certainly think this deserves as much headline attention as Lady GaGa's stupid bodyguard pushing a man to the ground....But of course that is what the media feeds people, to distract them from real issues.

The double edged sword here may very well be that when parents (and the general population) realize that this law goes beyond protecting peoples rights, to a degree that free speech is being denied within families...that the homosexual community has reached their karma, actually taking parents rights in having open discussionswith their own children - there is going to be a backlash.

By the way...to the person that posted the flaming question about what I think would be a "solution"...How typically pathetic!
Please get your facts straight. Your rant is based on misinformation.

This is ONLY about preventing the unethical practice of Sexual Orientation Change Efforts (SOCE) which have been proven not only ineffective but harmful.

It doesn't stop parents or GLBT teens talking to mental health providers.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:03 AM
 
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In bold is what bothers me about this bill.
Why? No ethical mental health provider would tell a patient that they can change their sexual orientation even if the patient told them they wanted to. It just doesn't work and it's harmful.

This is based on empirical evidence, not uninformed religious or 'moral' views. Sadly there are still some religiously-biased providers (Marcus Bachmann anyone?) who still promise clients that they can change their sexual orientation if they sign up for their non-evidence based 'therapy' (*cough* quackery.)
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:12 AM
 
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I don't agree with this law. Although, I do think that SOCE is harmful to young children, that is why you have professional standards to say psychiatricists or psychologists won't do this type of harmful therapy.
A total ban is an over reach even though I agree that this therapy is harmful.

Also, your anti-homosexual conspiracy recruitment nonsense is over the top and unnecessary to disagree with the law.
Unfortunately it seems to be necessary because even professional ethics and standards of conduct don't seem to be stopping some conservative religious health 'professionals' from behaving unethically and using this quackery.

It's not a total ban - just a ban on using it with children. I suppose an adult can make their own decision to throw away thousands of dollars on useless therapy that only ends up making them hate themselves.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:12 AM
 
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Why? No ethical mental health provider would tell a patient that they can change their sexual orientation even if the patient told them they wanted to. It just doesn't work and it's harmful.

This is based on empirical evidence, not uninformed religious or 'moral' views. Sadly there are still some religiously-biased providers (Marcus Bachmann anyone?) who still promise clients that they can change their sexual orientation if they sign up for their non-evidence based 'therapy' (*cough* quackery.)
People don't understand the bill.

This bill takes away the license from the quacks who practice this farce. Parents can still take their kids to a Christian counselor who will exorcise their homosexual demons. These guys hate big gubiment anyways, why do you need the approval of big gubiment to tell you if the counselor is certified? This affects health care professionals, not parents.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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Here you go, now you're being persecuted....Bullcrap I'm speaking up about a law that goes against free speech....It actually takes parents rights away...Talk about Nazism!!...

But then again, Hitler and his crew it seems to have been homosexuals themselves, as is shown by studies and interviews with those that new them...And how about those perfect boys from the SS?

Try again....!
Bullcrap yourself. This has nothing to do with 'going against free speech'. It's about preventing children from being harmed.

And your extremist far-right Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams nonsense propaganda about Hitler and the Nazis being homosexuals would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

Where on earth do you read this garbage?
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