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Old 08-20-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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That seems to be your problem - you keep looking for "ulterior motives" rather then taking in a report of data.

I will let WP speak for himself - but what i got out of the OP was that married women are statistically less likely to be sexually assaulted than divorced or single women. That is exactly what the study claimed.

It is much easier to process information if you don't think that the reporter has some type of "agenda".
Then you have a comprehension problem.

Because what you should have gotten from the OP was that married women are statistically less likely to report being sexually assaulted than divorced or single women. The study didn't claim that married women suffer fewer sexual assaults than other women.

And if you'd continued reading, you would have discovered the section where they explored why women didn't report their sexual assaults. How women who know their victimizer are much less likely to report him. When you combine that with the section on who the attackers are in the incidents when women know their attackers, well, golly gee willickers, it's husbands and intimate partners.

The reason I've asked repeatedly for WesternPilgrim to actually link to the original study is because that original study had a summary about how to read the data. For instance, WesternPilgrim seems to think that this study addresses unreported rape statistics. But the original study points out that women who won't report an assault to the police are often reticent to report the assault to ANYONE, including studies like this. The original study understood the weaknesses of its data, and owned those weaknesses. When Ann Coulter tried to use this study to make the same point, several publications took issue with her claims. While the numbers cited may reflect accurately the numbers reported in the data, Ann Coulter, WesternPilgrim, and yourself failed to read the parts of the study qualifying those numbers. And in a crime that is massively underreported, those qualifications were integral to the study.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Lehighton/Jim Thorpe area
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2006 National Crime Victimization Survey Results | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

It's interesting that reported sexual assaults has decreased by two thirds since 1993, and the rate of marriage has also decreased.

Maybe marital status has no bearing on a womans safety.


And therein lies the POINT!!!
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Yes, it does. Student rape victims are intoxicated between 70 and 80 percent of the time. 50 percent of rape victims across the board are drinking at the time of the assault.

I have repeatedly acknowledged the problem of underreporting, and nowhere have I suggested that marriage eliminates rape or any other kind of violence against women. Anyone who doesn't understand that we're talking probabilities here, not guarantees, just isn't qualified to comment.
Cite your source.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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2006 National Crime Victimization Survey Results | RAINN | Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network

It's interesting that reported sexual assaults has decreased by two thirds since 1993, and the rate of marriage has also decreased.

Maybe marital status has no bearing on a womans safety.
Hence why I consistently said the 1994 survey was irrelevant.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:28 PM
 
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We've already shown in this forum that, statistically, the safest place for any child is living with his married biological parents. The overwhelming majority of abuse is perpetrated against children living with just one biological parent, typically the mother - whether alone, co-habitating, or married to someone unrelated to the child.

It seems that traditional marriage is also the safest place for women. While researching something else, I came across this statistic pertaining to female victims of sexual assault in 1994:

Rate of sexual assault for women (1994) per 100,000

Divorced or separated - 9.1
Never married - 7.0
Widowed - 1.2
Married - 1.1

So a woman who is divorced or separated is 9 times more likely to be a victim of sexual assault, and a never married woman 7 times more likely, than a married woman living with her husband.

Fascinating, isn't it? Men protect their wives and children, and the bad guys leave them alone.
Do you ever think about or research a topic other than the need for women to be controlled by men??
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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That seems to be your problem - you keep looking for "ulterior motives" rather then taking in a report of data.

I will let WP speak for himself - but what i got out of the OP was that married women are statistically less likely to be sexually assaulted than divorced or single women. That is exactly what the study claimed.

It is much easier to process information if you don't think that the reporter has some type of "agenda".
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Yes, it does. Student rape victims are intoxicated between 70 and 80 percent of the time. 50 percent of rape victims across the board are drinking at the time of the assault.

I have repeatedly acknowledged the problem of underreporting, and nowhere have I suggested that marriage eliminates rape or any other kind of violence against women. Anyone who doesn't understand that we're talking probabilities here, not guarantees, just isn't qualified to comment.
OK, WesternPilgrim, you're just interested in statistics. You started this thread as a public service announcement with no agenda in mind. You're just trying to bring the message to women that marriage equates with personal safety. Is that your position, nothing more nothing less?

I find that impossible to believe in light of many of your other threads. Your agenda (and yes, Harrier he does have one and you know it) is to advocate for "traditional" marriage. You know, the kind you saw on TV in the 50's and 60's. Little woman stayed home and took care of the kids, scrubbed the toilets, cooked the meals and deferred to her husband in all things. She had no thoughts other than how to please her man. That's the "traditional" marriage WesternPilgrim wants to see come back. Men hold all the power and as the benevolent masters they are, deign to protect their womenfolk from the vagaries of life. He thinks that's an equitable trade-off. A women abdicates the right to have any control of her life or any opinions and he promises to beat off any home intruders.

That's an agenda. And you just like the statistics because you think poor muddle headed women will be frightened by them and run out to find spouses. Think again.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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That was done 16 years ago. How about something current?
Excellent suggestion.

Please let us know when you find one.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Excellent suggestion.

Please let us know when you find one.
Feel free to peruse the thread. Information from at least 2000 has already been provided and, as with the additional information provided on this thread, evidences that the OP's claim is nothing but crap. Enjoy your read.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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What does the OP have against women?

Your stats are flawed too.
Sexual assault can happen in marriages too,but they also are under reported.
There is a stigma to that,but its real. But many people dismiss it. Husbands sexually assualt their wives all the time. No means no,whether in a marriage or not. Just because she is your wife doesn't mean she has to have sex every day,or that she is your sex slave.
Were you about to provide some report or evidence to back up your assertions?

The OP did.

If what you said is true, shouldn't you have some way of proving it, or at least backing it up?
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Were you about to provide some report or evidence to back up your assertions?

The OP did.

If what you said is true, shouldn't you have some way of proving it, or at least backing it up?
It has already been proven, repeatedly, in this thread.
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