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Old 08-20-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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Logically the best way for a woman to massively reduce the chances of sexual assault is to stay away from men. This thread is just one big promotion of Lesbianism!

Well, who'd of thought it of the OP, what a cunning and oh so subtle plan...
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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It feels nice to be talked about.
I hope nicely and accurately.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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But they DON'T, and that is what we are trying to tell you.

All the statistics prove is that married woman IN 1994 -- which was 18 years ago, btw -- were less likely to report being sexually assaulted.
The idea that the stats are unreliable because married women are less likely to report a sexual assault than other women is a total canard, and it has been repeated over and over in this thread. But of all the groups surveyed, married and widowed women are probably the best reported categories. Sexual assaults among drunken co-eds and carousing divorcees are less likely to be reported because they're less likely to be remembered in the first place. Sexual assaults against teenage girls are less likely to be reported because of shame, confusion, and fear of parental disapproval. On the other hand, sexual assault within marriage is likely to be very low for the simple fact that married men have lower crime stats, lower rates of alcohol abuse, lower rates of mental illness, lower rates of depression and suicide, and lower rates of anti-social behavior across the board.

On the underreporting issue, let's look at the source of the data:

"The statistics from the Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1994 report come from National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data. The NCVS surveys a representative sample of approximately 50,000 United States households every year with more than 100,000 individuals age 12 or older. The data from this survey is intended to capture both reported and unreported crimes to complement reported crimes to the police as documented in the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report."

Once again the enemies of marriage, like ideological fanatics of every stripe, prove themselves to be fundamentally dishonest and incapable of dealing with reality.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Washingtonville
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You are the only one making such a suggestion. Is it a Freudian slip that you keep making ths point?
The topic of this thread is that women would be less likely to be a victim if they were married. What that is basically saying is that women should do what they can to get married asap to avoid being targeted by a sex offender.

Several people on here have pointed out the flaw that women should not be targets of sex offenders just because they aren't married to a man and that they wont be less of a target just because they are married to a man.

It is illogical to think that just because you are married you are somehow safer than if you were single. Sex offenders are opportunistic and they could care less if you have a ring on your finger or not. Now, women are less likely to be targeted by a stranger if they are in a group. However, this does not protect them from a potential sex offender that is in their group.

We should focus not only on how women can better protect themselves, but also on teaching would be attackers that it isn't ok to sexually assault anyone. But, our court systems let women down by protecting the attackers and not the victims. Most sex offenders get off with little to no jail time, while the victims are told that if they get pregnant that they should accept gods gift, seriously...WTH?!?!

Women are constantly told to dress less provocatively if they want to avoid getting attacked, basically telling them that it is their fault because of what they wear. This is not right.

Now the OP is telling women that they should get married to a man if they want to avoid getting attacked. This is not right, a women should not have to get married to avoid being attacked.

What should we tell girls in high school that are attacked? How about children that are attacked? What about women who are attacked by their husband, fathers, siblings, and other friends or relatives?

The problem, you and the OP are men, you think that women are weaker then men. You think that women should dress a certain way and do things how you want them to if they don't want to be a victim. You think that you have the right to tell women what to do with their bodies. You know who has that right? Only the individual can decide what to do with their bodies. If they want to show some skin, that is their choice, if they want to remain single, that is their choice, if they want to get abortions that is their choice.

I am a man that supports a woman's right to choose what she does with her body. I do not see women as weaker then men. I do have an issue with men that have the mentality that women should be careful, and do nothing to teach people that it is not okay to sexually assault others. Threads like these do nothing to help the issue of sexual assault, they only make it worse by pointing the finger at women.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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The idea that the stats are unreliable because married women are less likely to report a sexual assault than other women is a total canard, and it has been repeated over and over in this thread. But of all the groups surveyed, married and widowed women are probably the best reported categories. Sexual assaults among drunken co-eds and carousing divorcees are less likely to be reported because they're less likely to be remembered in the first place. Sexual assaults against teenage girls are less likely to be reported because of shame, confusion, and fear of parental disapproval. On the other hand, sexual assault within marriage is likely to be very low for the simple fact that married men have lower crime stats, lower rates of alcohol abuse, lower rates of mental illness, lower rates of depression and suicide, and lower rates of anti-social behavior across the board.

On the underreporting issue, let's look at the source of the data:

"The statistics from the Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1994 report come from National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data. The NCVS surveys a representative sample of approximately 50,000 United States households every year with more than 100,000 individuals age 12 or older. The data from this survey is intended to capture both reported and unreported crimes to complement reported crimes to the police as documented in the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report."

Once again the enemies of marriage, like ideological fanatics of every stripe, prove themselves to be fundamentally dishonest and incapable of dealing with reality.
The argument was that spousal rape - being raped by your husband - is extremely under reported and not reflected in your stats.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Lehighton/Jim Thorpe area
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The idea that the stats are unreliable because married women are less likely to report a sexual assault than other women is a total canard, and it has been repeated over and over in this thread. But of all the groups surveyed, married and widowed women are probably the best reported categories. Sexual assaults among drunken co-eds and carousing divorcees are less likely to be reported because they're less likely to be remembered in the first place. Sexual assaults against teenage girls are less likely to be reported because of shame, confusion, and fear of parental disapproval. On the other hand, sexual assault within marriage is likely to be very low for the simple fact that married men have lower crime stats, lower rates of alcohol abuse, lower rates of mental illness, lower rates of depression and suicide, and lower rates of anti-social behavior across the board.

On the underreporting issue, let's look at the source of the data:

"The statistics from the Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1994 report come from National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data. The NCVS surveys a representative sample of approximately 50,000 United States households every year with more than 100,000 individuals age 12 or older. The data from this survey is intended to capture both reported and unreported crimes to complement reported crimes to the police as documented in the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report."

Once again the enemies of marriage, like ideological fanatics of every stripe, prove themselves to be fundamentally dishonest and incapable of dealing with reality.
You just described yourself, not me.

I am no enemy of marriage. Ask my Pinterest followers: I probably annoy them with my wedding planning photos.

My point is that you are drawing inappropriate conclusions when there are perfectly reasonable arguments for marriage.

[MOD CUT/personal attack]

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Old 08-20-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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The argument was that spousal rape - being raped by your husband - is extremely under reported and not reflected in your stats.
Please note that unreported crimes are captured by the survey.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Only 'cause their wives force them to be more social.



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"The statistics from the Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1994 report

Is where I stopped reading, because that's where it became irrelevant.

We don't even use statistics from 2000 anymore to try to logically prove anything, much less 18 years ago.

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Once again the enemies of marriage
Ain't no enemies of marriage here.

I have nothing against marriage.

I participate in the institution myself.

If we're enemies of anything, it's misinformation, which is all citing an outdated statistic is.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Please note that unreported crimes are captured by the survey.
Please note that it's pretty much impossible to fully account for unreported crimes.

Due to the nature of being unreported.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Lehighton/Jim Thorpe area
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Please note that it's pretty much impossible to fully account for unreported crimes.

Due to the nature of being unreported.
Exactly!!!!!
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