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Old 08-20-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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Where did you expect to go with captain welfare at the wheel.
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: NC
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I have never understood this entitlement mentality - I have $1 and the other guy has $100, so the government must steal from him so that we will both end up with $50? That he might be a doctor and I might be a janitor is irrelevant to everyone, but the doctor. Why this immoral craving for other people's money?

This is why I can never support any government welfare. It's immoral. (Not to mention that it doesn't give the intended results.) The only way to achieve relative equality is if the janitor becomes a doctor and earns as much the doctor. You steal from the doctor and at one point, the doctor will leave his practice. Then what?

Stupid Socialists.

There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them equal. - Friedrich August Hayek.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Given the extreme income inequality we have now and how the country has regressed since Reagan, I'm working to prevent Democrats from getting elected because they have perpetuated our anti-democratic, pro-poverty situation.
That regression happened as a result of GOP political dominance over the last decade...
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Do you mean equality achieved by perception of wealth, or income?

Equality in the U.S. has got nothing to do with possessions other than a citizen's possession of his own mind. What you do with that will determine your wealth. Or inequality for that matter.
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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Furthermore, this is about wealth. Even those with very moderate means of income can accumulate $1 million or more in wealth.

From the NYT, about millionaires...http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s...llionaire.html

The lesson? It's what you do with what you have, NOT how high your income is. A highly paid executive can easily mismanage their financial affairs into bankruptcy. Likewise, a middle class earner can become a millionaire. It's all about making informed life and financial choices.
Anyone can become rich if that is what they want. That and are willing to work towards that end.

I know one couple, perpetually broke and strong Obama supporters, who, despite their brokeness manage to come up with enough for three packs of cigarettes every day of the week.

That's $12/day minimum for $84/week or $4,368 annually. Over 20 years with just a little interest that would be $100,000 cash money... enough to purchase a pretty nice house around here.

But my point isn't the cigarettes it's that we have been fighting poverty since the 1960's and today we have more poverty than we had 50 years ago. Some people will always be poor regardless of what you do for them, what you give them, because they will always be poor.

It's sort of like following that overweight blob thing through the cashiers line at Wal Mart when she pays with her EBT card while sporting that fine $300 tramp stamp tattoo on her over sized backside. That extra 125 lbs is because she isn't getting enough nourishment and food dontcha know.

We got to accept the fact there are people you could give $1,000 a week to and they still would live lives of poverty. A large number you could give $2,000 a week to and they'd still live lives of poverty.

And the biggest hidden secret of all? Some people are just born freaking stupid!
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Old 08-20-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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There is no such thing as a fair society and there certainly is no such thing as a fair society that seeks to punish success.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: around racist white people
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There is no such thing as a fair society and there certainly is no such thing as a fair society that seeks to punish success.
And no such thing as a government that want poor people to settle and be happy, what's going on now is what should have taken place decades ago.... A angry middle and poor class asking questions and seeking answers.

Nothing wrong with being successful but when millionaires don't pay taxes and get away with murder literally then expected some backlash especially when 98 percent of the population doesn't have it like that.

People are smarting up that's the only time dems get elected. Anyone would have beat McCain if Obama didn't win it.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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And no such thing as a government that want poor people to settle and be happy, what's going on now is what should have taken place decades ago.... A angry middle and poor class asking questions and seeking answers.
Who tells anyone that they have to simply settle for what they have?

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Nothing wrong with being successful but when millionaires don't pay taxes and get away with murder literally then expected some backlash especially when 98 percent of the population doesn't have it like that.
Do you really expect to have a serious conversation off quotes like this?

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People are smarting up that's the only time dems get elected. Anyone would have beat McCain if Obama didn't win it.
McCain was a moron but I'm not sure how that relates to the rest of this stuff.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:37 PM
 
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This is a totally flawed exercise. It's useless because it asks the wrong questions.
You are exactly correct. To ask people how much inequality they are willing to accept implies that it is incumbent upon the government to redistribute income through punitive taxation or other means.

The U.S. should always stress the importance of equal opportunity. We are already all equal.
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: N. Ga
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But my point isn't the cigarettes it's that we have been fighting poverty since the 1960's and today we have more poverty than we had 50 years ago. Some people will always be poor regardless of what you do for them, what you give them, because they will always be poor.

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So True! We see this everyday on my husband's crew. Same rate of pay between 3 different employees. All three married, same # of kids, and same employment status for the wives. 1 has a nice home, and lives comfortably... 1 lives comfortably but struggles to make ends meet (wife has champagne tastes).. and 1 hasn't got a pot to **** in. He boozes it up every night and spends stupidly never saving for down times. Three exact same scenarios but three completely different outcomes. The only way this share the wealth scheme would work successfully was if we we told by the government what to buy, what to eat, who to marry, etc.
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