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Old 08-20-2012, 08:56 AM
 
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Clearly the OP knows nothing about firearms. Every brand of ammo acts differently in a semi auto pistol. Your gun could be 100 percent reliable with Remington FMJ but then have jams with hollow points. Or maybe it works great with Federal hollow points but lousy with Winchester hollow points. Different brands also shoot higher or lower than others. The only way to know your pistol is reliable is to practice with the load you carry.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Clearly the OP knows nothing about firearms. Every brand of ammo acts differently in a semi auto pistol. Your gun could be 100 percent reliable with Remington FMJ but then have jams with hollow points. Or maybe it works great with Federal hollow points but lousy with Winchester hollow points. Different brands also shoot higher or lower than others. The only way to know your pistol is reliable is to practice with the load you carry.
I agree if you are someone shooting for tight groups. That is why I hand load. Most cops shoot center mass and care little for groups. If they empty their magazine and shoot a 10 inch group at 10 meters but all center mass they celebrate. If I shot such I group I would need to fight the urge to turn my weapon on myself. LOL
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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Clearly the OP knows nothing about firearms. Every brand of ammo acts differently in a semi auto pistol. Your gun could be 100 percent reliable with Remington FMJ but then have jams with hollow points. Or maybe it works great with Federal hollow points but lousy with Winchester hollow points. Different brands also shoot higher or lower than others. The only way to know your pistol is reliable is to practice with the load you carry.

With all due respect, you give LE agencies too much credit that they would even consider this. More likely it is that they don't want some agent/LEO loading his duty pistol with FMJ rounds after taking a couple of boxes of ammo home from the range. Of course, cost is only a factor when an ammo bid is considered in its entirety (often multi-year contracts).
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I have a preference for large bore Pistols. The single action Army style revolver with a transfer bar trigger system because of the absolute reilability and a Colt 1911 single action semi-automatic for the same reason. They shoot when I pull the trigger and don't when I do not. They also hit like a sledghammer and almost always stop the fight with one hit.

Maybe they bought so much ammunition so they could join the 60 rds fired with five hits club.
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Old 08-20-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Amazing that people can't understand there are different cost considerations when comparing agencies purchasing tens of thousands of pistols and an individual civilian.

Pistols used by most departments have a "shelf life" which ends after "X" number of rounds has been fired through the gun. It would be impossible to determine which gun reaches this benchmark the cheapest and most reliably in real-world conditions if everyone was firing different kinds of ammo through them. Add in the logistical streamlining of having one ammo standard and bulk purchase discounts, and it becomes apparent why a department would prefer to buy one ammo type.

And target shooting/group sizing means very little in the world of combat shooting. While some may be impressed with tight groups while slow firing, it's something else entirely to train for center of mass hits out of the holster, under timed conditions, with a reload or two thrown into the mix while shooting weak handed. Driving tacks in controlled conditions doesn't win gun fights, being the first to hit center of mass does.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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You should train with the ammunition you expect to use and the gun will likely recoil differently with low velocity "target' loads. When you are usuing a gun for real you do not have time to readjust to the way the gun is reacting while being shot. So practice with "real" ammo is the rule.
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Clearly the OP knows nothing about firearms. Every brand of ammo acts differently in a semi auto pistol. Your gun could be 100 percent reliable with Remington FMJ but then have jams with hollow points. Or maybe it works great with Federal hollow points but lousy with Winchester hollow points. Different brands also shoot higher or lower than others. The only way to know your pistol is reliable is to practice with the load you carry.
i agree with both of these posts. and like gregw i also prefer large bore pistols. i also prefer DA/SA semi autos. that way i can put the hammer down with a round in the chamber, and i dont have to **** the hammer before i shoot the pistol. i can also carry the pistol cocked and locked like the 1911.

and by the way, there is a difference between shooting a 185 grain .45acp round and a 230 grain .45acp round. not much, but enough to feel.
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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Sorry , but as a shooter I dont practice with expensive ammo. Now if I was spending someone elses money then hell , I suppose I could use gold tipped bullets.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Every shooter I have ever known trains mostly with ball ammo, which is cheaper to manufacture, and carries HP, which expands upon hitting flesh and thus will stop a fight quicker. When shooting at a target, obviously there is not much point to the hollow point (haha).

This is the same thing that makes Amtrak lose $800 million selling $9.50 cheeseburgers. Everyone should understand by now that this is how gov't works, whether Amtrack, Medicare, or a DHS gun range.

Amtrack lost 800 million dollars on burgers and soda
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I have a preference for large bore Pistols. The single action Army style revolver with a transfer bar trigger system because of the absolute reilability and a Colt 1911 single action semi-automatic for the same reason. They shoot when I pull the trigger and don't when I do not. They also hit like a sledghammer and almost always stop the fight with one hit.

Maybe they bought so much ammunition so they could join the 60 rds fired with five hits club.
LOL well said. LOLOLOLOLOLOL and very true.
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Old 08-20-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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They're just trying to thin the ranks of ss seniors.
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