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Old 08-21-2012, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Geez. I get more interesting insults from houseplants. *yawn*
Well liar was certainly creative on your behalf... Especially considering it was not a lie by either of us... Sure was convenient though...
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:29 PM
Status: "Summer!" (set 21 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Some guy named Ramsey? Roemer? Something like that.
No, Roemer was gov. of CO a while back. It's Romulus, or Remus, or something like that!
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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State vs federal mandate? Who cares? When every state has it...it's pretty much a national mandate!
But the government is not forcing people to drive.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I am not sure of the math, but I think he showed real leadership in taking us where we need to go as a society. Did it go far enough? No, but noone should go without health coverage, and if I pay a dollar in taxes, I want the first 90 cents to go toward things like that.

Unlike my conservative brethren, I don't like to whine about helping my fellow citizens. I don't think it is just a tax hike. It is much more comprehensive and important than that.
Is there any chance that the middle class will pay most of these tax hikes that Obamacare is the cause of? I bet you have never seen all 18 of them on one page, yet, have you Fh.

http://patriotupdate.com/28162/obama...care-tax-hikes
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Here's some reality for you...taxes haven't been raised because the individual mandate doesn't kick in until 2014.

Aren't you tired of embarrassing yourself yet?
I think you may notice on this LINK that a number of taxes are in effect and surely you missed all of this trying to defend that undebated law with us.

ObamaTax: 18 Obama Tax Hikes – Patriot Update
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:45 PM
 
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Well liar was certainly creative on your behalf... Especially considering it was not a lie by either of us... Sure was convenient though...
Sorry, it seems like absurd hyperbole. Two words: Prove it.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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I think you may notice on this LINK that a number of taxes are in effect and surely you missed all of this trying to defend that undebated law with us.

ObamaTax: 18 Obama Tax Hikes – Patriot Update
From "The Free Press of The Conservative Revolution"?? Got a LINK to anything a little more biased?

Believe all the crap you find on the internet??? LMFAO!!!
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Gone
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You are hiding behind the word "specifically" - every single tax on that list either directly or indirectly raises taxes on the middle class.

Your class warfare rhetoric only works in liberal fairytale land - in the real world actions have actual consequences - and costs get passed along.

In the case of PPACA - it is a direct tax on the middle class.
Why don't you list the ones that will be applied to the middle-class and you can prove how they will, if you are so confident in the list I find it strange that you do not want to discuss them one by one.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Is mandatory car insurance also a "tax"?
How much does the federal government require in car insurance? Maybe that one is nothing but state charged and operated. There is a chance that the Supreme Court did say that the whole Obamacare thing is a tax law or it may be unconstitutional. You do remember what the Court said in defense of the damned law being discussed here, I hope.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Oh really?

I guess you wanted it passed before you knew what was in it.

Please read the link and inform yourself before making such statements, as you are blatantly, absolutely WRONG! (no libs read these links as facts are of no concern to them, in true Stalinistic fashion. Facts are irrelevant, comrade!)

The List of the Obamacare Taxes | Intellectual Takeout (ITO)
The sad part of all this is that 8 of the Obamacare 18 new taxes have already gone into effect and some libs here are arguing that none of them go into effect till 2013. They have never looked at anything like your link for the very reason you expressed. Aren't they something?
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