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Old 08-21-2012, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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President Obama made a vow and a promise when he was campaigning for president in 2008 - he said that he would pass health care legislation and he promised that he would not raise taxes on those making less than $250,000/year. He accomplished the first - with the PPACA passing the house by a measly 7 votes - hailed by many as his biggest achievement. But the law raised taxes in the form of including an individual mandate for Americans to purchase government approved health insurance or be financially penalized. The tax increase was affirmed as such in the Supreme Court's ruling.

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS et al. v. SEBELIUS, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, et al. | Supreme Court | LII / Legal Information Institute .

Do you really want to vote for a man whose biggest achievement is breaking a campaign promise?

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Old 08-21-2012, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Supreme Court Outs Obama As The Biggest Middle Class Tax Hiker - Forbes

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Old 08-21-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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This isn't the only campaign promise broken, but a large one. The shape of the economy, unemployment, cut the deficit in half, close Guantamamo, etc., make this election choice a no brainer...
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This isn't the only campaign promise broken, but a large one. The shape of the economy, unemployment, cut the deficit in half, close Guantamamo, etc., make this election choice a no brainer...
We don't even have all 18 taxes in effect, yet and one of the biggest ones won't go into effect till 2018. He lied to us about that and the union leaders, insurance execs and 3 or 4 Senators that took part in the writing of that 2700 page law that was never debated, received no committee work in either house of Congress but was passed with barely enough votes in the House was a Congressional lie, too.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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Obama exposed racism in the Cambridge, Mass. Police Dept.

I think that will be Obama's legacy.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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President Obama made a vow and a promise when he was campaigning for president in 2008 - he said that he would pass health care legislation and he promised that he would not raise taxes on those making less than $250,000/year. He accomplished the first - with the PPACA passing the house by a measly 7 votes - hailed by many as his biggest achievement. But the law raised taxes in the forum of including an individual mandate for Americans to purchase government approved health insurance or be financially penalized. The tax increase was affirmed as such in the Supreme Court's ruling.

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS et al. v. SEBELIUS, SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, et al. | Supreme Court | LII / Legal Information Institute .

Do you really want to vote for a man whose bigges achievement is breaking a campaign promise?
Wow you got your behinds handed to you guys on the other thread on the same topic or should we say Lie. So put the list here and we can discuss which ones you claim will raises taxes on he middle-class, let's see it and everyone can discuss it, and you and Roy can deflect and make excuses and stomp around.
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Wow you got your behinds handed to you guys on the other thread on the same topic or should we say Lie. So put the list here and we can discuss which ones you claim will raises taxes on he middle-class, let's see it and everyone can discuss it, and you and Roy can deflect and make excuses and stomp around.
I responded in the other thread - and one of the taxes on that list was the individual mandate in ObamaCare. The rest were either direct or indirect taxes on the middle class - but the IM is clearly a direct tax.

Do you disagree - and if so - why?
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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I responded in the other thread - and one of the taxes on that list was the individual mandate in ObamaCare. The rest were either direct or indirect taxes on the middle class - but the IM is clearly a direct tax.

Do you disagree - and if so - why?
I read the list over there and ponted out that not one of them raises taxes on the middle-class and no one there wants to tell us which they believe do. Round and round and yet we are still where the thread started. This discussion board is becoming less and less about discussion and more and more about attacking the other guys or posting threads we are not willing to defend. Oh well, getting tired of going in circles, maybe tomorrow will bring a fresh start.
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I read the list over there and ponted out that not one of them raises taxes on the middle-class and no one there wants to tell us which they believe do. Round and round and yet we are still where the thread started. This discussion board is becoming less and less about discussion and more and more about attacking the other guys or posting threads we are not willing to defend. Oh well, getting tired of going in circles, maybe tomorrow will bring a fresh start.
Considering that the Supreme Court ruled that the individual mandate is a tax, it's pretty much been defined as a tax. And considering that this particular tax didn't exist before Obamacare, it's a new tax. Hence, Obama raised taxes by forcing Obamacare down our throats. Exactly what part of this is under dispute?
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Old 08-21-2012, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I read the list over there and ponted out that not one of them raises taxes on the middle-class and no one there wants to tell us which they believe do. Round and round and yet we are still where the thread started. This discussion board is becoming less and less about discussion and more and more about attacking the other guys or posting threads we are not willing to defend. Oh well, getting tired of going in circles, maybe tomorrow will bring a fresh start.
The "other thread" was about asking Obama supporters if they would concede that President Obama raised taxes on the middle class when he signed PPACA into law. No one would do so - so it is odd that you are decrying what that thread became when it was the target audience who refused to engage with the central question of the thread.

So would you like to answer that question here - in this thread? I have made much the same claim - that PPACA amounts to a middle class tax raise - not to mention that i am supported by SCOTUS - who called the IM a tax when they ruled the upheld the law(I provided a link to the full text of the ruling in the original post).

So now - without deflecting - would you like to answer this question: Do you concede that President Obama raised taxes on the middle class by signing PPACA into law? If the answer is no - please explain.
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