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Old 08-23-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Abortion doctors make a profit by causing death.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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No, that's conjecture.

Have any proof?
It's silly because we would have millions upon millions of death certificates for embryos that failed to make it to the next stage of development. Seriously, during a healthy sex life, a woman would have to undergo weekly tests for the hormone called human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) to indicate "conception". Then some people would have us proclaim person-hood on the fertilized egg.

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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Routine medical care is a Dental exam or a pap. Abortions, like other pregnancy issues, is not a routine exam.

And there are already many places without clinics that perform this procedure. Many women and girls already have to drive hours away from home to get that care.
Yes, and it's ridiculous.

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More than 80 percent of U.S. counties have no abortion providers, and some whole states have only one or two.
Abortion in American History

So...knowing that access is already strained to near extinction, you would also impose further burdens on women by making them cross state lines?

Really???
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Yes, and it's ridiculous.



Abortion in American History

So...knowing that access is already strained to near extinction, you would also impose further burdens on women by making them cross state lines?

Really???

Well you may think its ridiculous, but I think it should be up to the state, and even on the county/city levels.

Less federal intervention, is a good thing.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:04 PM
 
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Abortion doctors make a profit by causing death.
That one just doesn't have the 'honk if you can read this' spark of your other slogan.

Any physician who stops CPR or mechanical ventilation, accidentally lacerates an intestine causing sepsis and asystole, or one who prescribes the wrong medication makes a profit by causing death.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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Well you may think its ridiculous, but I think it should be up to the state, and even on the county/city levels.

Less federal intervention, is a good thing.
I respect your opinion, but as a female and a mother to a daughter in young adulthood, I cannot afford to entrust her reproductive freedom to the whims of state politics in this issue.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I respect your opinion, but as a female and a mother to a daughter in young adulthood, I cannot afford to entrust her reproductive freedom to the whims of state politics in this issue.

But the problem is just abortion, its ALL of the other things that comes with federal laws and mandates.

I understand your position as well, and I don't want to see abortions outlawed. But I have to fight against all federal regulations like this, even the ones in which I may find make sense. There are needs for some federal regulations, and sometimes they should even be short lived regulations, but we are supposed to be a free country. A woman is free to get an abortion, where its legal. If the state in which you reside doesn't have things legal in which you agree with, then move, or visit a state in which it is legal.

For instance, medical marijuana. I think marijuana should be legal, period. But regardless of what my state does, the federal government still makes it illegal.

There in lies the problem, mandating anything, whether it limits or makes available, on the federal level is generally bad.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I respect your opinion, but as a female and a mother to a daughter in young adulthood, I cannot afford to entrust her reproductive freedom to the whims of state politics in this issue.
Well, in some states your daughter's school can offer her a free abortion without your knowledge or consent, which amounts to entrusting your minor child's "reproductive freedom to the whims of state politics."
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: where people are either too stupid to leave or too stuck to move
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no, the abortion should be left to owner of the body
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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But the problem is just abortion, its ALL of the other things that comes with federal laws and mandates.

I understand your position as well, and I don't want to see abortions outlawed. But I have to fight against all federal regulations like this, even the ones in which I may find make sense. There are needs for some federal regulations, and sometimes they should even be short lived regulations, but we are supposed to be a free country. A woman is free to get an abortion, where its legal. If the state in which you reside doesn't have things legal in which you agree with, then move, or visit a state in which it is legal.

For instance, medical marijuana. I think marijuana should be legal, period. But regardless of what my state does, the federal government still makes it illegal.

There in lies the problem, mandating anything, whether it limits or makes available, on the federal level is generally bad.
Well, Memphis, if the U.S. becomes a polka-dot map of states that do and don't allow abortion, we will indeed see an increase of infections and fatalities brought on by self-induced and assisted illegal abortions. It is a fact. Women have always found ways to rid themselves of unwanted pregnancies, although not all of them have survived the attempt.

That would be our future.

It is not one I ever fathomed could exist again.
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