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Old 08-23-2012, 05:42 PM
 
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Begs the question, why are they despised by the Grand Ole Party? I'm not sure thats true, but I'd like to know why you think that is the case.
It's most certainly true, but I'm more interested in you learning how to correctly apply the concept of "begging the question."
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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If Atheists are not a group - then explain to me why Atheists have gone to court over symbols of religion.
Some atheists do some things together. Doesn't make all atheists a group. Atheist is not a proper noun.

I like chocolate ice cream. Lots of other people like chocolate ice cream. Some chocolate ice cream lovers may get together to go eat chocolate ice cream. Doesn't make all people that like chocolate ice cream a group.

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Voters who are religious are not turned off at all. That's a problem for you Democrats.
Actually, that's not true. There are several religious Republicans on this board alone that are turned off by religious extremism. Religious extremism is a problem for everybody.
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:00 PM
 
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I remember Santorum taking a lot of flack from conservative talkers over the 'throw up' line. I didn't pay much attention to the whole thing because I never supported Santorum anyway. You may be right about the Kennedy angle; my only point was that Santorum never wanted to make Christianity the official state religion. A poster (post #5) claimed that some Republicans wanted that, and I asked for one example. I still haven't gotten one.

As it happens I am an atheist/non-believer (however you want to put it) and IMO fears of the religious right imposing their beliefs via gov't are way overblown. In my experience, I'm about 100 times more likely to have a liberal nannyist impose their beliefs on me thru a ban or 'sin tax.' Here in Washington state a year does not go by where Dems don't propose or impose some new 'sin tax' or ban (booze taxes, cig taxes, online gambling ban, strip club raids...I could go on).

A couple years ago a Democrat legislator from a Seattle burb even proposed a 19% state porn tax.
Washington porn tax would fund social program - seattlepi.com
I was a WA native until I left in 2007. I'm well aware of the nannyism going on there....and imagine my surprise when red-state Indiana, where I now live, joined the ranks of the nannies with the new smoking ban, signed by Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels.

Nannyism is everyone's problem and in no way restricted to the Democrats.

As to Kennedy:

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A key factor that affected the vote for and against John F. Kennedy in his 1960 campaign for the presidency of the United States was his Catholic religion.
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Some Protestant spokesmen, such as Norman Vincent Peale, still feared the Pope would be giving orders to a Kennedy White House.[42] To allay such fears, Kennedy kept his distance from church officials and in a highly publicized confrontation told the Protestant ministers of the Greater Houston Ministerial Association on September 12, 1960, "I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President who also happens to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my Church on public matters – and the Church does not speak for me."[43] He promised to respect the separation of church and state and not to allow Church officials to dictate public policy to him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ca...#1960_election
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Of course they're a group. There are a huge number of Atheist, Agnostic, Secular, Humanist, etc. organizations where like-minded individuals gather to further their beliefs, discuss, organize, and socialize:
List of secularist organizations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They put up a billboard in a neighboring city to gain new members for their organization.
Some atheists belong to secular organizations.

Most atheists just get out of bed and go about their business without giving it another thought, until idiotic discussions such as these pop up out of nowhere.

If you're looking to find people who are anti religion, or hostile toward religion, those people are called antitheists, not atheists.

While some atheists are antitheists, not all are by any means, and they are still not a group.
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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It's most certainly true, but I'm more interested in you learning how to correctly apply the concept of "begging the question."

And your proof is......?
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Old 08-23-2012, 06:21 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Now I know that Democrats will accept anyone into their fold who agrees with more spending, higher taxes, more regulation and Christian bashing. (mind you, no Muslim bashing is allowed if you're a Democrat)

I'm just asserting that most Atheists are Democrats. I haven't looked for statistics yet, so if anyone has some, feel free to put them forward.

However, I have heard that most Atheists are Democrats. Go figure.
Even if that is the case (which I don't know)...so WHAT?

I'd get about as worked up over that as I would over a statement like "45% of Connecticut office workers wore brown shoes today." OHHH, the humanity!
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:21 PM
 
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And your proof is......?
In this instance, "begging the question" would be: "Are atheists hated by the Republican Party," not "Why are Republicans hated by the Republican Party." Sorry, I can be quite a stickler on such things.
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Old 08-23-2012, 07:25 PM
 
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Why is the Republican Party so hostile? Because the GOP has a disproportionate number of fervently religious folks who are desperately insecure about their religious beliefs and the people they fear most are those who are unafraid to point all the glaring contradictions in their beliefs.
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