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Old 09-08-2012, 06:30 PM
 
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We all know that these element are present in soil....Show me VALID evidence of anyone spraying these..

Strontium commonly occurs in nature, the 15th most abundant element on Earth, the abundance of barium is 0.0425% in the Earth's crust and 13 g/L in sea water and in the Earth's crust, aluminium is the most abundant metallic element and the third most abundant of all elements (after oxygen and silicon).
I guess you'll need to define "valid" for me.

You mean Government agency?

You mean a scientist funded by Government?

What, the FDA?

EPA?

What?

What?

 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I guess you'll need to define "valid" for me.

You mean Government agency?

You mean a scientist funded by Government?

What, the FDA?

EPA?

What?

What?
The results of peer reviewed scientific research...Got any?
 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:37 PM
 
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Here is a very recent article from Science Daily on a study that concluded Solar radiation management (SRM) is better performed using existing aircraft with regards to cost and feasibility.

Shading Earth: Delivering Solar Geoengineering Materials to Combat Global Warming May Be Feasible and Affordable

In the study, the researchers, from Aurora Flight Sciences, Harvard University and Carnegie Mellon University, performed an engineering cost analysis on six systems capable of delivering 1-5 million metric tonnes of material to altitudes of 18-30 km: existing aircraft, a new airplane designed to perform at altitudes up to 30 km, a new hybrid airship, rockets, guns and suspended pipes carrying gas or slurry to inject the particles into the atmosphere.

Based on existing research into solar radiation management, the researchers performed their cost analyses for systems that could deliver around one million tonnes of aerosols each year at an altitude between 18 and 25 km and between a latitude range of 30N and 30S.

The study concluded that using aircraft is easily within the current capabilities of aerospace engineering, manufacturing and operations. The development of new, specialized aircraft appeared to be the cheapest option, with costs of around $1 to $2 billion a year; existing aircraft would be more expensive as they are not optimized for high altitudes and would need considerable and expensive modifications to do so.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Strontium, barium and aluminum seem to be the so-far-known particulates.
Here ya go, get educated....

Contrail Science
 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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Here is a very recent article from Science Daily on a study that concluded Solar radiation management (SRM) is better performed using existing aircraft with regards to cost and feasibility.

Shading Earth: Delivering Solar Geoengineering Materials to Combat Global Warming May Be Feasible and Affordable

In the study, the researchers, from Aurora Flight Sciences, Harvard University and Carnegie Mellon University, performed an engineering cost analysis on six systems capable of delivering 1-5 million metric tonnes of material to altitudes of 18-30 km: existing aircraft, a new airplane designed to perform at altitudes up to 30 km, a new hybrid airship, rockets, guns and suspended pipes carrying gas or slurry to inject the particles into the atmosphere.

Based on existing research into solar radiation management, the researchers performed their cost analyses for systems that could deliver around one million tonnes of aerosols each year at an altitude between 18 and 25 km and between a latitude range of 30N and 30S.

The study concluded that using aircraft is easily within the current capabilities of aerospace engineering, manufacturing and operations. The development of new, specialized aircraft appeared to be the cheapest option, with costs of around $1 to $2 billion a year; existing aircraft would be more expensive as they are not optimized for high altitudes and would need considerable and expensive modifications to do so.
Another theoretical paper.... about a hypothetical situation...
 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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The results of peer reviewed scientific research...Got any?
Peer reviewed research is financially controlled research.
 
Old 09-08-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Peer reviewed research is financially controlled research.
So is that your excuse for not having any evidence to support chemical spraying?...That says a lot to me...The tests I saw in Don's video were all fudged, for instance they claim they were testing water, when in fact they were testing sludge and dirt, so why would you believe them? The test results are on this web site....
Debunked: What In The World Are They Spraying? - Contrail Science Contrail Science
 
Old 09-08-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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So is that your excuse for not having any evidence to support chemical spraying?...That says a lot to me...The tests I saw in Don's video were all fudged, for instance they claim they were testing water, when in fact they were testing sludge and dirt, so why would you believe them? The test results are on this web site....
Debunked: What In The World Are They Spraying? - Contrail Science Contrail Science
Retired USDA Biologist Francis Mangels on Geoengineering (Interview by John Whyte) | AirCrap.org
 
Old 09-08-2012, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Sorry, but an interview on video is not evidence of any kind. Aluminum naturally occurs in the atmosphere, and has been added to by industrial pollution. The Mangels guy doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about, not only that he flat out lies. The Claims of Francis Mangels- a Factual Examination
 
Old 09-08-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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Sorry, but an interview on video is not evidence of any kind. Aluminum naturally occurs in the atmosphere, and has been added to by industrial pollution. The Mangels guy doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about, not only that he flat out lies. The Claims of Francis Mangels- a Factual Examination
Sorry about that, try this one: BINARY DISSENT Weather Modification – Demystifying Chemtrails with Scientific Proof.
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