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Old 08-24-2012, 04:01 PM
 
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My question is who will the default winners of The Tour: Ivan Basso, Jan Ulrich, Marco Pantani, Alberto Contradore, Andreas Kloden, Alexander Vinokourov, Joseba Beloki, Alex Zulle??

In each and every Tour that Armstrong WON, his nearest competitors either failed subsequent drug test, or where involved in team wide drug scandals. Every rider listed above finished either second or third to Armstrong, each and everyone of them has been accused to found to have used drugs during the periods in question.
Your post is a testament to how dirty the sport is.

It's gotten to the point that, personally, I don't even care any more if a guy is dirty or clean.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: California
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So is the assertion that if everyone is doping that Armstrong had no advantage every other cyclist didn't have?
That is how I see it.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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The US Anti-Doping Agency are a bunch of losers.

Why does a US agency care what happened in France?

If Armstrong was fastest, he won.
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Old 08-24-2012, 04:41 PM
 
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I wasn't referring to this case specifically.. I was refering to the steroids that have been used in professional sports for years that have been proven to cause significant side affects as well as contribute to the death of athletes.
Okay, those are vastly worse than EPO and such that Armstrong is accused of using.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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So is the assertion that if everyone is doping that Armstrong had no advantage every other cyclist didn't have?
Essentially. All riders dope equally but all doped riders are not equal.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/sp...agewanted=2&hp
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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You have posted comments to over 1500 different threads in political.

You have started 113 different threads in the P&OC forum.

You can't figure out how we know what your political views are?

http://www.city-data.com/forum/searc...6&pp=30&page=3

That's precious.
I didn't realize you were such a fan.

But I have plenty of inconsistencies in my political philosophy. And as old posts show, I would have voted for McCain if he hadn't made such a crappy VP decision. I actually liked McCain 2000. Similarly, I could have lived with Mitt, but he went and pulled a McCain 2008.
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Old 08-25-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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Doesn't double jeopardy apply here? I don't remember the constitution allowing for a never-ending case against a US citizen where solid evidence hasn't been presented in court. And why are we funding more BS government agencies when we're $15T in debt?
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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I stand with Lance. He never tested positive, and they've been honed in on him for years. Shoot, I think they've been after him for over a decade. They've never proven he was doping. They don't have any positive tests, yet they strip him of his wins.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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Why test anyone? Let them use whatever drugs they want, and make it a level playing field. He who takes the best drugs wins!

The grossest thing I ever heard was how some Olympians do Blood doping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gross.
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