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Old 08-24-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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Thanks for the link. Pretty scarey!
Government, from federal all the way down to your local town etc., has been getting involved more and more into our personal lives for years.

Last year 2 little girls had their lemonade stand shut down because the didn't have permits.

Look around you and you will find gov't intrusion in everything today.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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I have been hearing more and more about Socialism and Communism in America lately. More than I ever have in my lifetime. Socialism and Communism used to be just words to me that described the government of other countries where life was not as good as in the good ol USA. So, I didn't pay much attention and really couldn't tell you what the difference between them was. But, now I am taking a hard look at them and learning about what they are and what their goals are. I am first wondering if others are hearing about them more too. Second, do you think that these ideas are really creeping into our American society and government? Thirdly, is there anyone on this MB that does believe in Socialism or Communism or knows people who admittedly are a Socialist or Communist? Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Socialism is a balance between capitalism and social justice/equity. Communism you will only hear about when discussing China or in history books. A utopian ideal that has never been acheived.

By the way, the socialist Scandinavian countries are better than the good old USA, due to right-wing rule here since 1981.

The only socialist (unfortunately) in the Senate is Bernie Sanders. I have only heard of people on the extreme right-wing in the US mentioning socialism of late; to them, it is a negative thing and they use it to describe political opponents, regardless of what their enemies' actual politcal philosophy is. There are always Socialist candidates on ballots, but most of the time candidates from the capitalist parties win in this country.

I am a democratic socialist. The only group I belong to is the DSA:

Democratic Socialists of America
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I have been hearing more and more about Socialism and Communism in America lately. More than I ever have in my lifetime. Socialism and Communism used to be just words to me that described the government of other countries where life was not as good as in the good ol USA. So, I didn't pay much attention and really couldn't tell you what the difference between them was. But, now I am taking a hard look at them and learning about what they are and what their goals are. I am first wondering if others are hearing about them more too. Second, do you think that these ideas are really creeping into our American society and government? Thirdly, is there anyone on this MB that does believe in Socialism or Communism or knows people who admittedly are a Socialist or Communist? Thanks in advance for any feedback.
It is not creeping into our lives...we are being hit over the head with a 2X4s worth of it. You could start with our POTUS, his regime, and the Dcat party.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: not Chicagoland
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Socialism is a balance between capitalism and social justice/equity. Communism you will only hear about when discussing China or in history books. A utopian ideal that has never been acheived.

By the way, the socialist Scandinavian countries are better than the good old USA, due to right-wing rule here since 1981.

The only socialist (unfortunately) in the Senate is Bernie Sanders. I have only heard of people on the extreme right-wing in the US mentioning socialism of late; to them, it is a negative thing and they use it to describe political opponents, regardless of what their enemies' actual politcal philosophy is. There are always Socialist candidates on ballots, but most of the time candidates from the capitalist parties win in this country.

I am a democratic socialist. The only group I belong to is the DSA:

Democratic Socialists of America
And even "Socialist" countries are really only have Democratic Socialism at best.

It is funny looking at the posts in these threads and seeing people claim Obama is a Socialist or a Communist when they don't know what either of them are or even where their own Republican Party stands.

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Socialism is the first step to communism. If you want to know what socialism is, just look at everything obama has done to the country. Destroy business' and get as many on unemployment as possible.Promote welfare and illegal immigration, close the power plants, give everyone free HC, paid for by the few who still are employed. When everyone depends on the government to exist, they are easier to control. The government will control everything, and you will need permission to buy a product.
We will be that third world country you imagined, and obama dreams about.
I could spend an hour showing how obama wants us to be North Korea, but you see it every day, I don't need to explain.
If that corrupt SOB is re-elected, this country will not survive...
It's a good thing you're not a politician. We don't need another crazy, ignorant Conservative in congress. Thanks for illustrating my point.

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Really creeping in? No, they've been in our government and society for more than a century.

Understand that today the oligarchy which is our federal government operates a fascist economy and neo-Marxist entitlement and redistributive wealth polices as well as a war against religion.

The OP should read about the 10 planks of Communism and see how may are already in place.

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks
No one should read that because your link is so wrong it's not even funny.

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Obama is a socialist.
I'm calling you out. First correctly explain what a Socialist is then explain in detail how Obama has practiced Socialism.
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Old 08-24-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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Okay, anyone who says Obama or the democrats are socialist have been watching a little too much fox news. Socialism is the new catch phrase of the day, now that Liberal has lost its luster.


Its just a spin/marketing technique that attempts to envoke ideas of communist russia or china. its just a strawman that can be used to attack a person.


So its a marketing spin, like Greek yogurt. Smart people will pay it no heed. The United States government has always been a quasi-blend of socialism and capitalism.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Socialism is the first step to communism. If you want to know what socialism is, just look at everything obama has done to the country. Destroy business' and get as many on unemployment as possible.Promote welfare and illegal immigration, close the power plants, give everyone free HC, paid for by the few who still are employed. When everyone depends on the government to exist, they are easier to control. The government will control everything, and you will need permission to buy a product.
We will be that third world country you imagined, and obama dreams about.
I could spend an hour showing how obama wants us to be North Korea, but you see it every day, I don't need to explain.
If that corrupt SOB is re-elected, this country will not survive...
You actually beleve all the "stuff" don't ya, a prime xample what is wrong with conservatives these days, you guys have lost your bleepn minds
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:49 PM
 
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Obama is a socialist.

Community organizers are socialists by definition.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:55 PM
 
Location: not Chicagoland
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Obama is a socialist.

Community organizers are socialists by definition.


What is Socialism then?
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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Thanks for the link. Pretty scarey!
Well since the intent was to scare your panties right off of you not to educate you, I'm not surprised.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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Community organizers are socialists by definition.
Well now that we know that anti-abortionist, tea party members, home owners against the Mosque are all socialist, I can sleep well tonight.
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