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Old 08-28-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Subtract the screaming and you have.....

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Rachel Corrie

The tragic and needless death of pro-Palestinian activist Rachel Corrie is a favorite of those who keep trying to portray Israel as no less brutal than the Palestinians. The story of her "murder" by an Israeli bulldozer driver still persists long after it has been debunked. Like Muhammad al-Durrah, the circumstances of her death were falsified and she became a symbol of the Palestinian "resistance" and Israeli "Nazism."

On March 16, 2003, Israeli bulldozers were clearing away foliage used to hide bombs and tearing down buildings that were covering tunnels used for smuggling arms from Egypt into Gaza. Refusing warnings to clear the area, Corrie, who was demonstrating with other members of the International Solidarity Movement, stood in front of an oncoming bulldozer and was crushed to death. Even though the driver of the bulldozer was exonerated, the Palestinians keep insisting that Corrie was killed intentionally.

They do this by making dubious claims and by making up evidence when they need it. They claim that a photo showing Corrie holding a megaphone "removes any doubt" that her presence was known to the driver. However, the same photo shows how tiny Corrie was in comparison to the size of the bulldozer. It is apparent that the driver could easily not have seen her, and that the sound of her megaphone reaching him through the noise and the distance was highly unlikely.

The Palestinians claim that "eyewitnesses" saw the driver kill Corrie deliberately. Yet a CNN report sheds doubt on these "eyewitnesses":

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"She was raising her hands and yelling at the bulldozer driver to stop," [Huwaida] Arraf[, co-founder of the International Solidarity Movement,] said. "The bulldozer driver paid no attention.... He buried Rachel with dirt, which ended up, obviously, knocking her down. Then he ran over her, and then reversed and ran over her again."

Other witnesses, however, reported that Corrie had scaled a pile of dirt but then lost her footing and fell backward behind it, out of sight of the bulldozer operator. The bulldozer continued moving forward, covering Corrie with dirt and then crushing her.
Not letting the truth deter them, the Palestinians have circulated two more photos showing Corrie "before" and "after" the bulldozer accident and trying to make it appear as if the driver could see her. The problem is, the photos are deceptive. In the first photo a trick of perspective gives an inaccurate impression of the line of site between the bulldozer and Corrie. But much more important, the first photo is mislabeled, and does not even show the same bulldozer that was involved in the accident!

The photo's mislabeling is well known and was pointed out by several sources, including the New York Times: the bulldozer in the first photo "was not the one that killed her."(2) Nevertheless, the Palestinians continue to ignore this (and hope you will ignore it too), and still present the photos as if they showed the same bulldozer "before" and "after." Even today one can view this phony presentation on the International Solidarity Movement and Electronic Intifada web sites.

All of the photos mentioned in this piece may be seen elsewhere on this site, as well as further details of the Rachel Corrie hoax.

Truth clearly means nothing to the Palestinian Disinformation Campaign. Eyewitness accounts? Evidence? If you need them, just make them up.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:02 PM
 
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Have your American daughter killed by right wing Jewish bigots, and your American parents seeking justice, will be smeared as participating in a "Palestinian Disinformation campaign"

Wow. Just Wow!

This thread has brought out just the type of genuine, right wing, Jewish bigot mentality, I want American conservatives, liberals, and independents to see first hand for themselves.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Have your American daughter killed by right wing Jewish bigots, and your American parents seeking justice, will be smeared as participating in a "Palestinian Disinformation campaign"

Wow.

This thread has brought out just the type of genuine, right wing Jewish bigot mentality, I want American conservatives, liberals, and independents to see first hand for themselves.
Ummm, wake up.

Look around.

Your rantings have been refuted.

Better luck next time.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Critique of Israel's political policies and practices is not itself anti-Semitism. Anyone who argues otherwise is infantilizing Israel and refusing to recognize its sovereignty.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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Like those Berkeley morons who thought hiking on the Iran border would be harmless fun this sounds like another country's problem and has no direct affect on me. Therefore I don't give a sh*t.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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Critique of Israel's political policies and practices is not itself anti-Semitism. Anyone who argues otherwise is infantilizing Israel and refusing to recognize its sovereignty.
In fact, the best US sources for the truth about Israel come from Max Blumenthal and Glenn Greenwald.

Two American Jewish journalists/columnists.

How the US and Israeli justice systems whitewash state crimes | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal

If you want to be informed about what really goes on in Israel and how they manipulate our government, they are the gold standard.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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A country famed for human rights violations and oppression ruled that the US Citizen their army bulldozed deserved it? Surprise.. surprise. I used to support the nation of Israel but not its government. Now I'm not so sure I support either. It has become clear that Israel will continue to threaten other countries; kill American citizens; kill American sailors; ignore US requests for open investigations (such as this case); ignore US requests not to attack international aid ships; attack international aid ships in international waters and create other mischief throughout the word. Now my position on that country is officially changing. I'm not so sure it deserves to be a country and I think the world would be a better place without the Israeli Government.
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I commend her and other courageous human rights activists around the world. Much respect to her family for fighting for justice, even in the Zionist apartheid system. The verdict is no surprise, given that the army involved 'investigates itself'. I know Palestine appreciates the support of the international community and will one day no longer be attacked and confined to ghettos.
Don't Worry. You could always visit the street named after in Iran.

Iran to name street after Rachel Corrie

Today.Az - Iran to name street after Rachel Corrie

And you could also read her journals

Let Me Stand Alone: The Journals of Rachel Corrie

« Rachel Corrie’s Dreams Commentary Magazine

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..what is most curious about Corrie’s Journals is that hard as she tried to impose the ISM narrative on what she saw, her reports constantly contradicted this narrative, though she didn’t recognize the contradictions.
She wrote that decades of occupation had oppressed Palestinians, yet Gazans kept saying that their difficult situation was due to the Intifada and to Israel’s subsequent counterterrorism measures, not to a decades-old occupation. One Gazan said, “There was a peaceful time in the late seventies and early eighties…things were better before Sharon”—that is, before Sharon became Prime Minister in 2001. (253) Another told her: “Before—no tanks, no bulldozers, no gunshots. Quiet….No noise. After Intifada, daily. Gunshots daily.”
She even confirmed that conditions in Gaza worsened only with the Intifada. She wrote that 60,000 people from Rafah had worked in Israel in 2001, but that the number had dropped to 600 by 2003. But she never drew the logical conclusion that her Gazan informants kept repeating—the terrorist campaign had forced Israel to take defensive measures.
Similarly, Corrie demonized the Israeli soldiers, but they hardly appear demonic. When she and other internationals stand in front of the tanks, the soldiers “open their weird tank lids and wave at us.” The Israeli district command officer worked to “ensure the safety of Palestinian workers.”
Nor, to her surprise, were Palestinians afraid of the soldiers. When a Gazan runs from his home with his two children after ISM mistakenly informed him that his house was to be demolished, she “was terrified to think that this man felt it was less of a risk to walk out in view of the tanks with his kids than to stay in his house.” She tried to interpose herself between him and the tanks, yet he clearly did not need her protection. Children play in full view of the tanks, apparently unafraid. (She was stunned to find that despite tanks and bulldozers passing by, “all of these people are genuinely cheerful”—even though this did not fit into her preconceived notions. When IDF soldiers entered a house to position themselves on the roof, no one was bothered or harassed. The children just watched cartoons on TV.
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Old 08-28-2012, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Note to people who think that stepping in front of a bulldozer is a good idea: if the driver can't see you(as in this case) you stand(pun intended) a good chance of getting killed.

Hard to feel sympathetic about this girl - it is sad - but she threw her life away.

If she wanted to live - a good way to do that would have been to not stand in front of the bulldozer.
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