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As opposed to Ron Paul Libertarians? Sometimes it's confusing to know what Libertarians want because there seem to be two distinct factions. Which one are you?
"By contrast the John Birch strain of Libertarians and their puppet show, the Tea Partyhate government, and engage in its destruction from within...Birchers don’t seek the government off of the back of all citizens, just the anointed few of the 1%. Bircher Libertarians want a government with no fiscal controls and low taxation, but with extreme social controls of the population to keep parts of society with whom they either disagree or those that they find distasteful under control and unequal."
Social conservatives are not libertarians. Libertarians can most quickly be summed up by the phrase "Whoever governs best governs least". I actually had some interest in the original tea party before I saw Palin giving a speech at a tea party function and realized the tea party had been hijacked.
I have also seen modern liberals declare themselves as socialist libertarians.
I am best described as a Goldwater Republican.
I do think describing even the social conservative tea party members as Birchers is BS.
Barry Goldwater:
On Gay Rights
"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."
"Having spent 37 years of my life in the military as a reservist, and never having met a gay in all of that time, and never having even talked about it in all those years, I just thought, why the hell shouldn't they serve? They're American citizens. As long as they're not doing things that are harmful to anyone else... So I came out for it."
“Gays and lesbians are a part of every American family. They should not be shortchanged in their efforts to better their lives and serve their communities. As President Clinton likes to say, ‘If you work hard and play by the rules, you’ll be rewarded’ and not with a pink slip just for being gay.”
Social conservatives are not libertarians. Libertarians can most quickly be summed up by the phrase "Whoever governs best governs least". I actually had some interest in the original tea party before I saw Palin giving a speech at a tea party function and realized the tea party had been hijacked.
I have also seen modern liberals declare themselves as socialist libertarians.
I am best described as a Goldwater Republican.
I do think describing even the social conservative tea party members as Birchers is BS.
Barry Goldwater:
On Gay Rights
"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."
"Having spent 37 years of my life in the military as a reservist, and never having met a gay in all of that time, and never having even talked about it in all those years, I just thought, why the hell shouldn't they serve? They're American citizens. As long as they're not doing things that are harmful to anyone else... So I came out for it."
“Gays and lesbians are a part of every American family. They should not be shortchanged in their efforts to better their lives and serve their communities. As President Clinton likes to say, ‘If you work hard and play by the rules, you’ll be rewarded’ and not with a pink slip just for being gay.”
So do you ever self-identify politically as a Libertarian.....
I thought Tea Party people were supposed to be strong fiscal conservatives as well. Guess that's where Grover Norquist comes in from the perspective of the author of this piece?
The John Birch Society was founded by, among others, Fred Koch -- whose sons, as we all know, have been pouring millions into various Tea Party organizations, most notably "Americans for Prosperity."
So it's not inaccurate at all to associate the two groups. The John Birch Society's core principles read like a Tea Party manifesto.
The John Birch Society was founded by, among others, Fred Koch -- whose sons, as we all know, have been pouring millions into various Tea Party organizations, most notably "Americans for Prosperity."
So it's not inaccurate at all to associate the two groups. The John Birch Society's core principles read like a Tea Party manifesto.
The tea party is amorphous. I don't know much about the John Birch Society, but I have yet to meet anyone who claimed to be a member, nor do I recall any posts on CD promoting the group. According to wikipedia, the peak of their influence was almost 50 years ago in the mid 1960's when they boasted 100,000 members. For a supposedly major national group, that's not a lot of members.
The tea party is amorphous. I don't know much about the John Birch Society, but I have yet to meet anyone who claimed to be a member, nor do I recall any posts on CD promoting the group. According to wikipedia, the peak of their influence was almost 50 years ago in the mid 1960's when they boasted 100,000 members. For a supposedly major national group, that's not a lot of members.
I think most are aware that the Koch brothers give a lot of financial support to Tea Party candidates, and, and the person pointed out above, the John Birch Society was founded by the Koch brothers' father, Fred. Also, as was pointed out, core principles of John Birch and what most Tea Party folks claim are practically the same. Maybe most Tea Party people are simply unaware of the connection and how closely their goals and the positions of the John Birchers are related. Strong similarities and strong connection to founder of John Birch via Koch brothers.
As a Tea Party member or supporter, do you support Grover Norquist's goals?
The John Birch Society was founded by, among others, Fred Koch -- whose sons, as we all know, have been pouring millions into various Tea Party organizations, most notably "Americans for Prosperity."
So it's not inaccurate at all to associate the two groups. The John Birch Society's core principles read like a Tea Party manifesto.
Back in the 50's and 60's, the John Birch Society was considered as subversive.
Birchers are not libertarians, they are social conservatives. The John Birch Society was most notable for their desire to create a theocratic form of government in the US based on fundamentalist Christianity and their opposition to the 1960s civil rights movement.
John Birch=Moral Majority=Tea Party, different names, same old stuff
The John Birch Society was founded by, among others, Fred Koch -- whose sons, as we all know, have been pouring millions into various Tea Party organizations, most notably "Americans for Prosperity."
So it's not inaccurate at all to associate the two groups. The John Birch Society's core principles read like a Tea Party manifesto.
The fact is I find little wrong with those core principles, the devil is in the details.
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