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Old 09-08-2012, 10:11 PM
 
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In other words...a .357 magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP out of 4 inch barrel has about a 92-96% one shot stop capability.

A 12 gauge loaded with OO buck has about a 150% one shot stop.



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Old 09-08-2012, 10:12 PM
 
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I have many times wondered why the Police do not have tranquilizer guns in their squad cars for such emergencies. They have damn near everything else.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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I have many times wondered why the Police do not have tranquilizer guns in their squad cars for such emergencies. They have damn near everything else.
They have less than lethal rounds for shotguns. A nasty pitbull or other large dangerous breed poses a lethal threat to the officers safety. She should have thought about that before having dope in her house.

If that wasn't the case, every single drug dealers mean watch dog would have the drop on the Police sent there to arrest and shut the dealer down.

Many are trained to attack and will kill if given the chance. I've even heard of cases where the Police own K9 dogs got into a brawl with the drug dealers dog. A sworn in and highly trained member of the Police Department him or herself takes first priority over some dopeman's inbreed that has been beaten and turned mean.
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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In other words...a .357 magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP out of 4 inch barrel has about a 92-96% one shot stop capability.

A 12 gauge loaded with OO buck has about a 150% one shot stop.



In this case it didn't stop the dog, he was wounded and suffered much before dying...........
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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They have less than lethal rounds for shotguns. A nasty pitbull or other large dangerous breed poses a lethal threat to the officers safety. She should have thought about that before having dope in her house.

If that wasn't the case, every single drug dealers mean watch dog would have the drop on the Police sent there to arrest and shut the dealer down.

Many are trained to attack and will kill if given the chance. I've even heard of cases where the Police own K9 dogs got into a brawl with the drug dealers dog. A sworn in and highly trained member of the Police Department him or herself takes first priority over some dopeman's inbreed that has been beaten and turned mean.

Yes I absolutely agree a trained to kill pitbull or any breed trained to kill is a threat to a Police Officers life and the Officers life is much much more important than the dogs. I just don't get why or if, assuming they didn't, tell them tie the dog up or they will shoot it? the only reason I can think of is if it meant stalling time for the drug dealers to flush evidence. Either way the dealers and dog owner are responsible for the death of the dog, IMHO. I though if they had stun guns or tranquilizer guns that would be good enough to stop the dog within seconds. It's easy to say whey didn't they this or that but the truth is the Police should not have had to make such a decision because the dog should not have been trained to kill, be vicious and should have been tied as soon as it was discovered the Police arrived. A command to immiediately stop the dog would also have saved the dogs life.

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Old 09-09-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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Yes I absolutely agree a trained to kill pitbull or any breed trained to kill is a threat to a Police Officers life and the Officers life is much much more important than the dogs. I just don't get why or if, assuming they didn't, tell them tie the dog up or they will shoot it? the only reason I can think of is if it meant stalling time for the drug dealers to flush evidence. Either way the dealers and dog owner are responsible for the death of the dog, IMHO. I though if they had stun guns or tranquilizer guns that would be good enough to stop the dog within seconds. It's easy to say whey didn't they this or that but the truth is the Police should not have had to make such a decision because the dog should not have been trained to kill, be vicious and should have been tied as soon as it was discovered the Police arrived. A command to immiediately stop the dog would also have saved the dogs life.
You got it right there! The main purpose of the dog is to alert the dealers of Police and slow them down. All it takes is a minute or two then the evidence is gone.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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You got it right there! The main purpose of the dog is to alert the dealers of Police and slow them down. All it takes is a minute or two then the evidence is gone.
You don't flush a bunch of plants. If they had evidence that he was some hotshot dealer, you pick him up for dealing. He wasn't even there. You can't assume every dog is trained to kill, or you're going to kill every dog in sight. Somebody has to have some common sense.
I think it's time to go back to knocking and identifying yourselves before entry with a warrant. If they don't have evidence prior, then they are breaking and entering - I don't give a damn who they are.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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You got it right there! The main purpose of the dog is to alert the dealers of Police and slow them down. All it takes is a minute or two then the evidence is gone.
That is very true, and not just drug dealers. If anyone broke into my home, unannounced, they may very well kill my dogs, but it will buy me enough time to get my Mossberg (which is always loaded for brown bear) and blow away the intruders.

If they have a legal court-issued warrant then they need to announce themselves and their intent prior to entering my home. It will not only spare the lives of my dogs, but it may also spare their lives.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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You don't flush a bunch of plants. If they had evidence that he was some hotshot dealer, you pick him up for dealing. He wasn't even there. You can't assume every dog is trained to kill, or you're going to kill every dog in sight. Somebody has to have some common sense.
I think it's time to go back to knocking and identifying yourselves before entry with a warrant. If they don't have evidence prior, then they are breaking and entering - I don't give a damn who they are.
Right because everyone "opens up" and lets the po-po in! When you are dealing with people such as this, the element of supprize is critical to spare the lives of both the suspect and the Leos. One or two loud calls and that is more than plenty. Give them five minutes, they have destroyed evidence, barricaded themselves, as well as armed themselves. That would be like shooting fish in a barrel for the criminal. I can't see any drug dealer objecting to that.

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That is very true, and not just drug dealers. If anyone broke into my home, unannounced, they may very well kill my dogs, but it will buy me enough time to get my Mossberg (which is always loaded for brown bear) and blow away the intruders.

If they have a legal court-issued warrant then they need to announce themselves and their intent prior to entering my home. It will not only spare the lives of my dogs, but it may also spare their lives.
You're confusing lawful citizens with criminals.
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Old 09-09-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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75 Year Old Grandmother Held Down At Gunpoint As Police Shoot & Kill Her Dog >> Four Winds 10 - Truth Winds

Very sad...... ROTTON/STUPID COPS!!! -- WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO SAY ENOUGH??
If the article is on the internet, it MUST be true

How come when I type in the name or the county into Google News nothing comes up. Very suspicious. I've tried other avenues to find/look into these events, and have seen nothing. For all we know, the Grandma was a regular Mags Bennett (Justified reference)
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