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Old 09-05-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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What a way to dodge there. Technically speaking, the Dakota's are at FULL employment, but that's not WHAT I said. I said specifically 100% of the people will never work. They never have and they never will. Yes, we have pretty much replenished our recession jobs. Your own numbers back up that claim and they are actually more generous than the actual numbers once you factor in government jobs. So now you are saying your numbers aren't reliable?
The article states, as do many other sources, that the jobs gained are not the same quality as the ones lost. So, no we have not replenished our recession jobs.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The record of the Republican party is being exposed this week, and you Pubs are chasing your tails and picking your noses. You are naked and vulnerable as a newborn baby.

When this great man took office, we were headed for a Depression. The job outlook was DISMAL. President Obama took care of that and turned it around. He stopped the bleeding even with worthless Republicans obstructing.


Are you getting the message yet?
Obama turned what around and we're still bleeding.

What freakin planet are you living on.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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Obama turned what around and we're still bleeding.

What freakin planet are you living on.

This is why I call them Moonbats.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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The article states, as do many other sources, that the jobs gained are not the same quality as the ones lost. So, no we have not replenished our recession jobs.
On the contrary YES we have. Quality is subjective. A person can go work fast food in North Dakota for almost $16 an hour. Is that or is that not quality? To a lot of people it's fast food so low quality, yet that low quality pays more than some southern region and midwest region warehouse and manufacturing jobs. Highly subjective wouldn't you say.

This also is a nitpick. The goal of any government coming out of a recession is to make sure every job is replaced function for function is a lie, it can't possibly do that. Again, another scenario that is impossible to do, it can only facilitate number created which this does. Again, quality is subjective and times are different. Case in point, Indiana is a state where in all honesty, has severe brain drain, jobs available a lot of the people who were laid off during the recession just aren't qualified to do. No way else to put it, they lack the skills yet, think every job should be worth $25 an hour when in all honesty, certain manufacturing, laboring jobs should have never been worth $25 an hour but got that way due to unions and now want that same type of pay for non-skilled labor. Well that just isn't feasible anymore and yes things have changed and employers are getting stingier and more subjective. Something the government cannot control.

At the end of the day, you can really only look at what's been replenished versus what was lost. Quality is highly subjective. In that scope, yes, the US has replenished. Do all jobs pay the same, no, and why would anyone expect it to? Nor did anyone say they had to, people just want them to and being frank, companies can't keep costs down for all of our toys we love so much and keep an all American workforce, they are forced to go overseas where its cheaper to keep us fat and happy and playing with our gizmos.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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At the end of the day, you can really only look at what's been replenished versus what was lost.

Yes, and the conclusion states quite emphatically that Obama has FAILED to do that.

Bottom-Line
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: WY
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. First term, you are always dealing with the fallout of the previous administration. In this case Bush left a mess and the current POTUS had to traverse that mess. Are things perfect? No, but they are better than they were four years ago which shows signs of life and being on the right track. Second term, odds are things will get even better for Americans still but no one can look into the future so...but he has earned the chance for a second term.
In his first term this president spent the first year throwing out stimulus money to big car makers and big business, and throwing out insta-cash gimmicks like Cash for Clunkers. And ramming through the hugely unpopular Obamacare. And going on trips around the world to kiss Muslim countrys' behinds and apologizing for how mean the United States has been. And holding beer summits. And not passing a budget.

He spent the second year trying to explain unsuccessfully to the American people why Obamacare was a good thing. And not passing a budget.

He lost one branch of government at the end of his second year because the American people were so disatisfied with his job performance.

Third year? Third year.....third year....third year..........somebody help me out here. And not passing a budget.

He's spent most of this year campaigning for re-election.

He gave the order to the Seals to kill Bin Laden and that was a good thing. But he didn't do the surveillance that found him, or the planning of the operation, or the training for the operation, or the execution of the operation. He said the word "yes".

He hasn't earned anything, least of all the right to a second term.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Not only do Liberals not hear what they don't want to hear, they don't READ what they don;t want to read: Do you notice the part in RED?
I am not liberal, and I read just fine. The 4.5 million number is accurate. If you want to spin something else into it, then be my guest. I am not interested. When Bush left the office the nation was losing nearly a million jobs per month, and if you want to deduct that from the jobs which have been created since we hit the bottom, then go ahead. I look at the bottom, and see how far we have come form that point.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Anyone watching the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday night heard the number 4.5 million several times.

The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it's not the whole picture.

Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.


While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it's only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date.

Conclusion:

The figure of 4.5 million jobs is accurate if you look at the most favorable period and category for the administration. But overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office


CNN Fact Check: About those 4.5 million jobs ... - CNN.com
"overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office".............
This is because of the 800,000 jobs lost each month at the end of the last Republican administration.
It would have been nice if the HUGE job losses had ceased on day ONE of Obama's administration but only a Moron would think that............ the HUGE job losses bled into the first few months of Obama's administration but job growth has now been every month for most of Obama's term as President...... even with the right blocking everything and the Presidents job bill.
Let's see now............. 800,000 jobs lost every month with the Republicans and 4,000,000 job gains under Obama.
Taking the job stats from day one is going to be a negative as it includes the big losses caused by the Republican's that Obama is NOT the cause of.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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"overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office".............
This is because of the 800,000 jobs lost each month at the end of the last Republican administration.
It would have been nice if the HUGE job losses had ceased on day ONE of Obama's administration but only a Moron would think that............ the HUGE job losses bled into the first few months of Obama's administration but job growth has now been every month for most of Obama's term as President...... even with the right blocking everything and the Presidents job bill.
Let's see now............. 800,000 jobs lost every month with the Republicans and 4,000,000 job gains under Obama.
Taking the job stats from day one is going to be a negative as it includes the big losses caused by the Republican's that Obama is NOT the cause of.
They conveniently want to forget that the Bush recession UE peaked at 10.2%, we are now 8.3%.
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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They conveniently want to forget that the Bush recession UE peaked at 10.2%, we are now 8.3%.

And you two conveniently forget that:

Obama said in 2009 that HE would be held accountable

Obama said in 2009 that if he didn't turn things around by his 3rd year, he wouldn't deserve re-election

Obama said he'd cut the deficit in half in his first term

Obama wasted two years of complete Democratic control of Congress on doing NOTHING about the economy or jobs.
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