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Old 09-06-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That act has nothing to do with whether or not you can sue for discrimination. It has to do with the time period in which you can do it. Ledbetter waited 6 years from when she found out to when she sued. SHE waited that long.

And someone got it in their bonnet that "we needed a law".
Why did she wait 6 years to sue for discrimination in pay ?

And this law only applies to women ? What about men who wait 6 years to sue ? Isn't that discrimination ?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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One person out of 300+ million ?

Isolated case.

(I can toss that out just like the Dems do for voter fraud stories..ISOLATED CASE).
So you're willing to guarantee that not only is no other woman getting underpaid, but in the future it will never happen, hence why we don't need a law that supports women's right to sue over pay discrimination?
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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Interesting observation.

Before the Lilly Ledbetter law the Supreme Court said that the person who was discriminated against couldn't go to court to enforce the law.
This is simply not true.

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Since you claim to support equal pay I'm sure you agree that giving women who have been discrimated against the right to go to court to enforce the law is a good thing.
It's been done many times since the law was passed in 1963.
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Old 09-06-2012, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You are absolutely wrong. It was a decision of the United States Supreme Court, and until it was overturned by Congress it applied to every one of those 300+ million people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ledbett..._%26_Rubber_Co.
That someone could wait 6+ years before suing their employer ?
No..there should be a statute of limitations.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Nobody tried to overturn the laws we have had in place for nearly 50 years.



Those 50 year old laws did not stop a person for suing for equal pay.
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That act has nothing to do with whether or not you can sue for discrimination. It has to do with the time period in which you can do it. Ledbetter waited 6 years from when she found out to when she sued. SHE waited that long.

And someone got it in their bonnet that "we needed a law".
Why did she wait 6 years to sue for discrimination in pay ?
So you're saying that constraining the timeframe of a lawsuit to 180 days from the FIRST discriminatory paycheck is NOT infringing on the right for someone to sue over pay discrimination?
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:03 AM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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But women are being discriminated against in the work force, like LILLY LEDBETTER. The very person the bill is named after defeats your entire argument.
oh please

ledbetter did herself wrong...not her employer

Lilly Ledbetter was a supervisor at Goodyear Tire and Rubber’s plant in Gadsden, Alabama, from 1979 until her retirement in 1998. For most of those years, she worked as an area manager, a position largely occupied by men. Initially, Ledbetter’s salary was in line with the salaries of men performing substantially similar work. Over time, however, her pay slipped in comparison to the pay of male area managers with equal seniority.


DID SHE ask for raises???...did SHE fight for herself????...did she have good annual reviews???

she caused her own problem

she is also a proven LIAR

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Ledbetter's Honesty and testimony before Congress has been questioned because she represented that she did not learn of the pay disparity until shortly before the complaint, but her earlier sworn deposition testimony indicated that she discovered the pay disparity as early as 1992, six years before filing the complaint in 1998. In a deposition held as a part of her lawsuit, Ledbetter testified that she "knew in 1992" she was "being paid less than her peers". When asked how she knew about the discrepancy, she stated that "different people that I worked for along the way had always told me that my pay was extremely low." She continued, "Kim Whitman had told me that." Ledbetter testified that Mr. Whitman, who was her manager in 1992, told her "it was low in comparison to her peers". However, in her testimony before the Senate, Ledbetter stated that she "only learned about the discrepancy in her pay after nineteen years 1998, and that was with someone leaving me an anonymous note"
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:04 AM
 
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Absolutely right, but until Congress acted, based on the conservatives on the Supreme Court, if you had been paid unfairly you would have been out of luck in trying to get that unfairness redressed.

If you ever find yourself in a position where you are not paid fairly and equally you can thank President Obama and the Congress for giving you the ability to challenge that in court.
Would that be the president Obama and congress that pays the women in their employ less than the men? Yea, thought so.
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So you're saying that constraining the timeframe of a lawsuit to 180 days from the FIRST discriminatory paycheck is NOT infringing on the right for someone to sue over pay discrimination?

Good Lord, that's the way it's been for I don't know how long for both men and women.
She waited 6 years and even lied to Congress about it.

So we have this woman who sat on her bumkiss for 6 years before deciding.."Hey this isn't fair" ?
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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oh please

ledbetter did herself wrong...not her employer

Lilly Ledbetter was a supervisor at Goodyear Tire and Rubber’s plant in Gadsden, Alabama, from 1979 until her retirement in 1998. For most of those years, she worked as an area manager, a position largely occupied by men. Initially, Ledbetter’s salary was in line with the salaries of men performing substantially similar work. Over time, however, her pay slipped in comparison to the pay of male area managers with equal seniority.


DID SHE ask for raises???...did SHE fight for herself????...did she have good annual reviews???

she caused her own problem

she is also a proven LIAR
Do you have some sort of training in presenting strawmen arguments? Who cares when she knew about it? How does that affect that she was discriminated against?
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Old 09-06-2012, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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So you're saying that constraining the timeframe of a lawsuit to 180 days from the FIRST discriminatory paycheck is NOT infringing on the right for someone to sue over pay discrimination?
It's a procedural change that helps with regards to each case that filed - but that this is some great advancement for women - I don't see it.
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