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Old 09-06-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: 15 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Originally Posted by TempesT68 View Post
Even if you cut it down to the last four presidents, 8 years of W and Clinton, and 4 years of Bush 1 and Obama, the dems have absoutly destroyed the GOP in job creation.

In this scenario:

Democrats = 21 million jobs created

Republicans = 854,000
total jobs under obama so far 300k
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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Clinton is showing is that having Republicans Presidents who enact so called conservative policies doesn't lead to greater job creation like conservatives claim.
Neither does having so called big government liberals in office retard job creation which is another conservative claim.
This leads to predictable claims from conservatives.

Faced with reality, they now claim Presidents don't have anything to do with the creation of private sector jobs

This means their whole critique of President Obama is a complete fabrication based on their own thinking.

The irrationality of this thinking is amazing. Everyday, conservatives say Obama has a terrible jobs record, the moment reality intrudes that more jobs have been created under Democratic Presidents then Republican Presidents, they immediately flip to Presidents aren't responsible for private sector job creation.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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total jobs under obama so far 300k
Which is more than W created during his entire presidency
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Old 09-06-2012, 07:52 PM
 
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You are incorrect. But thats Ok, its expected.
LOLZ.... Good come back and full of facts to back it up....
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:05 PM
 
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Maybe this will finally shut up conservative morons who love to spout how the way to make jobs is by shrinking the government.

For the record though, It's also a fact that people give too much credit/blame to the POTUS for the behavior of the economy.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:00 PM
 
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[quote=TempesT68;25971978]True. Last night, Clinton absolutely hit it out of the park! One of his key facts he stated, was one on private sector job creation:

"Since 1961, for 52 years now, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24," Clinton said. "In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66 million private-sector jobs. So what's the jobs score? Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 (million)."

Politifact found this statement to be 100% true, not that it's to anyone's surprise (maybe to the right wingers).

Democrats create jobs in America.

Republicans create jobs in China.




Exactly.

China Mart is the GOPs 1% wet dream. They dont give a damn if the rest of the 99% of the middle class have no health insurance and are kicked to the street.

Paul Ryans medicare "vouchers" is a way of culling the herd. That is just for starters.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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not very true

of bill clintons 22 million jobs created....22 million LOW PAYING jobs created while 15 million HIGH PAYING JOBS lost to overseas


democrats create medocracy in the us. and send the jobs overseas
Seeing as CEOs are generally wealthy Republicans, and CEOs are the ones who send jobs overseas to cut costs and increase their profits, clearly logic would indicate Republicans are the ones shipping jobs overseas.

But then logic isn't a strong suit of Conservatives.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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I wont go in detail, but I wrote a short story about a cab driver in a rural area of east tenn...(it will be published) the tiny percentage of manufacturing plants left here (that havent been bulldozed already) are being bought by the Chinese. This is what Romney wants.

Anyway this womans family from Shanghai was incensed that there were not enough Chinese workers in the rural area to hire for her father's corporation. She refused to hire locals/Americans.

I 'd love to hear a GOP supporter defend this situation. This manufacturing plant in rural America is standing vacant until she gets the "right workers" in her dads factory. She is also a Republican.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:27 PM
 
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"2/3's Of All Private Sector Jobs Created In The Last 52 Years Have Come Under Democrats "




Apparently not this time around.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:07 AM
 
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True. Last night, Clinton absolutely hit it out of the park! One of his key facts he stated, was one on private sector job creation:

"Since 1961, for 52 years now, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24," Clinton said. "In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66 million private-sector jobs. So what's the jobs score? Republicans 24 million, Democrats 42 (million)."


Politifact found this statement to be 100% true, not that it's to anyone's surprise (maybe to the right wingers).

Democrats create jobs in America.

Republicans create jobs in China.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ts-top-republ/
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Class is now in sesssion. This is how you meet a pre-determined outcome by excluding or including data.

Since 2000, only 1 hurricane has hit Connecticut and that was during a democratic presidency. 8 years of republicans and no hurricanes in CT, 4 years of Dems and they had one.

From 1977-1993, 12 years of republican presidents and 4 years of democrats there were TWO hurricanes in CT during the republican administration and NONE during the democratic ones.

Interesting how Mr. Clinton chose the years he did and excluded others.

I give you an F, see you in summer school Tempest.
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Facts are facts.
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Wow, a classic example of a right wing "I hate facts that show the GOP is wrong! having meltdown! Must hijack the thread and bash Obama with distorted versions of his name because it makes me feel like a tough guy!"
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You didn't read the link. Or even bother looking at the quote in OP:

Note how Clinton isn't saying democratic presidents were directly responsible for these private sector jobs, they were created while they were in office.
Here is the real truth.....if anyone is truly interested......

FDR/Truman

Jan 1939 25,338,000
Jan 1953 42,667,000

Avg per month: 103,000 Jobs

Gross number jobs: 17,329,000 Jobs
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 44,008,000 in December 1952.

Eisenhower

Feb 1953 42,736,000
Jan 1961 44,208,000

Avg per month: 16,000 Jobs

Gross number jobs: 1,541,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 46,446,000 in August 1960.

JFK/LBJ

Feb 1961 43,785,000
Jan 1969 56,234,000

Avg per month: 125,000 jobs

Gross number jobs: 12,026,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 57,735,000 in December 1968.

Nixon/Ford

Feb 1969 56,349,000
Jan 1977 64,471,000

Avg per month: 86,000 jobs

Gross number jobs: 8,237,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 65,857,000 in December 1976.

Carter

Feb 1977 64,495,000
Jan 1981 73,481,000

Avg per month: 188,000 jobs

Gross number jobs: 9,010,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 75,085,000 in December 1980.

Reagan

Feb 1981 73,886,000
Jan 1989 87,968,000

Avg per month: 151,000 jobs

Gross number jobs: 14,487,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 89,668,000 in December 1988.

Bush Unu

Feb 1989 88,046,000
Jan 1993 89,182,000

Avg per month: 25,000 jobs

Gross number jobs: 1,214,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 92,169,000 in June 1990.

Clinton

Feb 1993 89,441,000
Jan 2001 109,680,000

Avg per month: 214,000

Gross number jobs: 20,498,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 112,178,000 in November 2000.

Bush Doi

Feb 2001 109,889,000
Jan 2009 109,084,000

Avg per month: -6,000 jobs

Gross number jobs: -596,000 jobs
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 116,603,000 in June 2007.

Obama

Feb 2009 108,444,000
July 2012 112,192,000

Avg per month: 74,000

Gross number jobs: 3,108,000
Largest number of Private Sector jobs held: 112,192,000 in July 2012.

17,329,000
12,026,000
+9,010,000
20,498,000
+3,108,000
--------------
61,881,000 private sector jobs "created" by FDR/Truman/JFK/LBJ/Carter/Clinton/Obama

+1,541,000
+8,237,000
14,487,000
+1,214,000
-596,000
---------------
24,883,000 private sector jobs "created" by Ike, Nixon/Ford, Reagan, and the Bush Duo

So Clinton did not tell the truth.

Democrats only "created" 61,881,000 jobs which is not 66 Million jobs.

Furthermore, it was not 52 years, rather it is

1939-1952 = 13 years
1961-1968 = 8 years
1977-1980 = 4 years
1993-2000 = 8 years
2009-2011 = 3 years + 7 months in 2012

That is 36 years and 7 months, however Republicans held it for 36 years.

A critical factor not to be over-looked is House/Senate control.

Party Control of Congress and the Presidency

Democrats controlled House & Senate all but 2 years of FDR/Truman

Eisenhower had to put up with a Democrat-controlled House & Senate for 6 out of 8 years

Nixon/Ford had a Democrat-controlled House & Senate. In fact, from 1933-1979 the Democrats controlled the House & Senate all but 4 years in that 46 year period.

Reagan had a Republican Senate, but a Democrat House, except for 1987-1988 when Democrats controlled both.

I suppose some could make an argument that Democrats played "obstructionist" to "job creation."

One other important note....

Your private sector jobs bench-marked at 116,603,000 which means that you are still short....

....4,411,000 jobs.

Consider that Clinton bench-marked at 112,178,000 private sector jobs. That means that right now you have only 14,000 more private sector jobs than you did in November 2000.

Source:

Data extracted on: September 7, 2012 (3:48:19 AM)
Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)


Series Id: CEU0500000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Notice: Data not available: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So I'm glad we have this nonsense sorted out.

Pointing out the obvious....

Mircea
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